Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.039 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'licenses': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'postgresql': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'oracle.': 0.16; 'processes.': 0.16; 'rdbms': 0.16; 'simplified': 0.16; "work's": 0.16; 'wed,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'amounts': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'am,': 0.27; 'options': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'shoot': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'point': 0.31; 'oracle': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'server': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'skip:p 20': 0.36; 'far': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'free': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'services': 0.64; '26,': 0.65; 'engage': 0.65; 'received:212.227.17': 0.65; 'marketing': 0.69; 'buying': 0.69; 'sales': 0.70; 'money': 0.74; '10:32': 0.84; 'received:212.227.17.8': 0.84; 'researching': 0.84; 'to:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84; 'shares': 0.91; 'investing': 0.95 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:01:28 +0200 From: Hannu Krosing User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120827 Thunderbird/15.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Article on the future of Python References: <5062525b$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <7x392561cu.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:/Xb5IGW/hMKwNjN4fdqqhBsEzTE7oTQ6/bEMaKNHRuu 8Wp9Y4FUBEGIcZmUkEkEKAB9AbPfMV6EpSErIunskv8Xvxco72 YpZ+qrmcrOY5WBvcM6NV94wTUsVww4UwjgCNYCF9LVLng4xUSr HX5RhTDN85zhks01YtE3FYDGf+Gow5KLWi0Y18B1Ly8O87t8Eb z767NUJKuPPas4VUozW1BoZ8e9/Y2E3Hz2rr45FebfLiaOG5K7 nf6ftJEoZHMuQZHhEKZ4/vcPdvRMflacFHxziRKeX4ZW+e7xru RTWoV9ACVldVfSNWVkpBzDLvD1UuNFmd2dzWEcbUg7NX6NQSdf 5sg6mhp52+B6YZflnRSA= Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348653712 news.xs4all.nl 6908 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46004 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30180 On 09/26/2012 10:32 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 26/09/2012 05:10, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> SQL? ... it's time to sell your shares in Oracle. >> >> Ehh, I wouldn't be investing in Oracle, but that's more because I >> think free RDBMSes like PostgreSQL outshine it. And this is even more >> true of MS SQL Server - this last week I've been researching options >> for moving work's services to the cloud, and SQL Server licenses cost >> ridiculous amounts (per month or per hour); what do you get for that >> money that you can't get from Postgres? >> >> ChrisA >> > > Maybe true but do free RDBMes have the sales and marketing budgets > that effectively shot down Ingres? > Nope. They don't have budget to shoot down Ingres. Also, free RDBMs do not engage in dubious promise-and-dont-deliver- then-ask-more-money sales policies that got Oracle kicked out of US Government simplified buying processes. You can get only so far using "sales". At some point you have to deliver. Hannu