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From: Andriy Kornatskyy <andriy.kornatskyy@live.com>
To: <tarek@ziade.org>
Subject: RE: Fastest web framework
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:26:50 +0300
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Tarek=2C

Thank you for the response back. Yes=2C your idea is pretty clear to me. Th=
e point is that higher workload you put in your application business logic=
=2C repository=2C backend=2C whatever... less you will see in final results=
 comparison. This is obvious and we=2C as technical people=2C very well und=
erstand this (somebody even laugh).

The reality is that not all web applications do heavy CPU computations and/=
or experience IO delays (due to response from database running a query over=
 table that has no index=2C let say)=2C some use caches=2C some split jobs =
to be run in background=2C some parallel them... I have to state that simpl=
e things must perform really fast to give more room for one that are not so=
. That in turn makes your infrastructure more effective. Some prefer to add=
 a box=2C some see that a likely to be a problem further it goes. The good =
thing - you have a choice=2C you are not locked=2C and as result you are re=
sponsible for the effectiveness of the system you build today and definitel=
y next one.

Take care.

Andriy


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> Date: Wed=2C 26 Sep 2012 11:08:19 +0200
> From: tarek@ziade.org
> To: andriy.kornatskyy@live.com
> CC: python-list@python.org
> Subject: Re: Fastest web framework
>
> On 9/25/12 3:21 PM=2C Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
> > Tarek=2C
> >
> > With all respect=2C running benchmark on something that has sleeps=2C e=
tc is pretty far from real world use case. So I went a little bit different=
 way.
> That's not a good summary of what the function does. It does not just
> sleep. It does some I/O and CPU bound tasks. The sleep is here to
> simulate a blocking I/O call=2C besides the DB calls.
>
> The whole function tries to simulate a real application=2C unlike printin=
g
> 'Hello World' - to put the stack under realistic conditions.
>
> The multiplication is cached by the processor=2C but will still push some
> CPU work on every call.
>
> >
> > Here is a live demo (a semi real world web application) that comes with=
 wheezy.web framework as a template:
> >
> > http://wheezy.pythonanywhere.com/
> >
> > I have implemented it in a way that it uses one web framework (wheezy.w=
eb) and various template engines (jinja2=2C mako=2C tenjin=2C wheezy.templa=
te and wheezy.template with preprocessor)... Please see the following post =
under `Real World Example` section:
> >
> > http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/07/python-fastest-template.html
> >
> > Source code here:
> >
> > https://bitbucket.org/akorn/wheezy.web/src/tip/demos/template
> >
> > The real world example shows the difference between template engines im=
plementing the same things. The same applies to web frameworks (more or les=
s depending on your choice).
> >
> > Thanks.
> Great=2C thanks for the update ! -- that's cool to bench the template
> engines=2C but this is still not what I had in mind.
>
> What I had in mind was to try each one of the framework with an
> application that does things=2C and see how the whole stack reacts on hig=
h
> load.
>
> But I guess we have different goals - wheezy seems really fast=2C congrat=
s.
>
>
> Cheers
> Tarek
>
> > Andriy
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> Date: Mon=2C 24 Sep 2012 13:50:31 +0200
> >> From: tarek@ziade.org
> >> To: python-list@python.org
> >> Subject: Re: Fastest web framework
> >>
> >> On 9/23/12 11:19 AM=2C Andriy Kornatskyy wrote:
> >>> I have run recently a benchmark of a trivial 'hello world' applicatio=
n for various python web frameworks (bottle=2C django=2C flask=2C pyramid=
=2C web.py=2C wheezy.web) hosted in uWSGI/cpython2.7 and gunicorn/pypy1.9..=
. you might find it interesting:
> >>>
> >>> http://mindref.blogspot.com/2012/09/python-fastest-web-framework.html
> >>>
> >>> Comments or suggestions are welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Andriy Kornatskyy
> >>>
> >> I would try this with a web app that does more than 'Hello World'
> >>
> >> You may argue that you're just trying the server stack=2C but that's n=
ot
> >> realistic because you don't really measure how the server behaves with=
 a
> >> real app.
> >>
> >> Have a look at
> >> https://github.com/mozilla-services/chaussette/blob/master/chaussette/=
util.py#L188
> >>
> >> (setup_bench and teardow_bench have to be run on startup and tear down
> >> of the server)
> >>
> >> I would be curious to see how things goes then
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Tarek
> >> --
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
> >
>
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