Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'value,': 0.04; 'true,': 0.05; 'allowed.': 0.07; 'false,': 0.09; 'subject:iterable': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'random': 0.14; 'dict': 0.16; 'expression.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'items(self):': 0.16; 'keys(self):': 0.16; 'pairs': 0.16; 'pairs,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'import': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'whatever': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'generating': 0.39; 'offer': 0.62; 'subject:there': 0.68; 'guarantee.': 0.84; 'subject:check': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=1a/Emu6+6Qifvtl9QCaCBo8lbQYstMPyC6XuA3fLAts=; b=MlTz5zxZaUrHyqBNy0r/rDsF/qrTPX2yDKueL70mQF0I4YM2Pty9RkUQhP27IJdWfD IcKTm4nfY2jX0ilN1O9qUq8F9SngfrXkBiqsFgL1NlcKaiezwrRUZipGwW6qKR4OImdV FHPKoaHPGDMUl0VJ2VJwJ4rF4Ve+2DZugTMylOaE8eBhZaj4cYCnMAK+Ha8q7WqjxWdJ fol5vkFvhoNa/8vygN+WL8XAIqKy0f2z2Jmt5nn97LnZ8Oz7kPUAePpM1FW9LolxcBGl KPADIFO8jIkYLeSblUnZ6xp6C7napnyfwDII4crHSCRz1IxcvR+QWjkLeA478/vZa0Y9 DwOw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.176.202 with SMTP id ck10mr55129873igc.2.1411125904933; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 04:25:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <541c0c7d$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <541bbbe6$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <541c0c7d$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:25:04 +1000 Subject: Re: Is there a canonical way to check whether an iterable is ordered? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1411125907 news.xs4all.nl 2939 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:78070 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Here's a proof of concept of what would be allowed: > > import random > class MyDict: > def __init__(self, items): > self._items = list(dict(items).items()) > self._flags = [False, False, False] > def keys(self): > k = [item[0] for item in self._items] > self._check(0) > return k > def values(self): > k = [item[1] for item in self._items] > self._check(1) > return k > def items(self): > k = self._items[:] > self._check(2) > return k > def _check(self, i): > self._flags[i] = True > if self._flags == [True, True, True]: > random.shuffle(self._items) > self._flags = [False, False, False] Also, this can't possibly offer the same guarantee. Watch: d = MyDict(some_lot_of_items) d.values(); d.items() # mutate the dict in whatever way you like pairs = zip(d.keys(), d.values()) This might well create mismatched pairs, because after generating the keys() return value, the list gets shuffled, prior to generating values() in the same expression. This would not be allowed. ChrisA