Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeeder.ewetel.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'compiler': 0.07; 'responding': 0.07; 'source.': 0.07; 'windows,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'from:addr:timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'from:name:tim golden': 0.16; 'message-id:@timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'tjg': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'received:192.168.100': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'points': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'directly,': 0.31; 'invoke': 0.31; 'comment': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'problems': 0.38; 'ends': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'enough': 0.39; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'telling': 0.64; 'realized': 0.68; 'from:addr:mail': 0.83; 'now...': 0.84; 'faced': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:43:00 +0100 From: Tim Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Python Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> <5267CB8E.1010504@timgolden.me.uk> <5267D6A6.7000703@timgolden.me.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382539385 news.xs4all.nl 15919 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56748 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57369 On 23/10/2013 15:34, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Tim: > >> Disregarding Mark's tongue-in-cheek rhetoric for now... perhaps you >> didn't realise that, on Windows, you can't pip install a binary > > Mark: > >> Which on Windows often ends up telling you that it can't find vcvarsall.bat > > I am well aware that Windows users rarely have compilers available. > Perhaps neither of you realized that I was responding to Mark's > comment that, "I confess I don't understand how *nix people endure > having to compile code instead of having a binary install." > > On Unix systems most of the time people never invoke a compiler > directly to install from source. Heck, they often don't need to > download directly, as "pip install " takes care of all that > drudgery. Fair enough -- I thought you were implying that pip install had magically solved all problems of source or binary installation. Clearly you weren't, so my points about the problems still faced on Windows are rather moot. :) TJG