Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'compiler': 0.07; 'responding': 0.07; 'source.': 0.07; 'windows,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'from:addr:pobox.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:skip': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'sender:addr:gmail.com': 0.17; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'cc:2**1': 0.23; 'skip': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'unix': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'directly,': 0.31; 'invoke': 0.31; 'comment': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'ends': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'most': 0.60; 'telling': 0.64; 'realized': 0.68; 'cc:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84; 'now...': 0.84; 'to:addr:mail': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r1Wkqb+sQYdZvhGK41jc6XVGrV/XbNbOUBF3bhJpLCs=; b=a4iHMZpRz/HDO99E5RFVWDH6D2J9SViQ3t74iAj0N9lWf9LpVbi+/Za6SbKnxG+gjL 2CDPo6+XkfwuQoJOcaAVL3ILOa6VKYLIt2bZSIHOoAiOY+BwgHLFe+AShXOn3ADyHUiA MsChmytA4cFT8Qo01HhEg52M+3TZf7gGD+VYQzoj2APWNj9etCZzgtde03ckytU7qtXg Mif5q7EwGMWrHlFAI38zNR2q8m2Pg/R9HIFyH3U1OE4fQclxpu3pKemIoA/+xnpWK7JX M2AYwRFR6CYHMMVaVp+4xL2HrDo8XSHa5uTwhdRSydRfcU1L/ph0SNXVZap+2AMydrjB J6AA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.120.10 with SMTP id ky10mr1347811igb.29.1382538873956; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 07:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: skip.montanaro@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <5267D6A6.7000703@timgolden.me.uk> References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> <5267CB8E.1010504@timgolden.me.uk> <5267D6A6.7000703@timgolden.me.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:34:33 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HhdLKBYOJK33oyYckWPUKVbH5zY Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? From: Skip Montanaro To: Tim Golden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Mark Lawrence , Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382538883 news.xs4all.nl 15912 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53311 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57368 Tim: > Disregarding Mark's tongue-in-cheek rhetoric for now... perhaps you > didn't realise that, on Windows, you can't pip install a binary Mark: > Which on Windows often ends up telling you that it can't find vcvarsall.bat I am well aware that Windows users rarely have compilers available. Perhaps neither of you realized that I was responding to Mark's comment that, "I confess I don't understand how *nix people endure having to compile code instead of having a binary install." On Unix systems most of the time people never invoke a compiler directly to install from source. Heck, they often don't need to download directly, as "pip install " takes care of all that drudgery. Skip