Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'essentially': 0.04; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'compiler': 0.07; 'source.': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'thats': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'abi': 0.16; 'golden': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'tjg': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'skip': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'shown': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'tim': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'really,': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'up.': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'even': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'lack': 0.78; 'now...': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'wheel': 0.84; 'am.': 0.91; 'treatment': 0.95; 'kit': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:21:24 +0100 References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> <5267CB8E.1010504@timgolden.me.uk> <5267D6A6.7000703@timgolden.me.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-201-160.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: <5267D6A6.7000703@timgolden.me.uk> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382538308 news.xs4all.nl 15979 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47670 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57367 On 23/10/2013 15:01, Tim Golden wrote: > On 23/10/2013 14:52, Skip Montanaro wrote: >>> Thankfully I am. I confess I don't understand how *nix people endure having >>> to compile code instead of having a binary install. To me it's like going >>> to the garage to buy a new car, being shown the parts and the tool kit and >>> being told to get on with it. Perhaps it's a case of second class treatment >>> for users of a second class OS? Ducks and runs for cover :) >> >> And we can't understand how you can put up without source. :-) Also, >> Unix isn't one platform like Windows, ABI incompatibility and all. >> >> Really, for most things these days it's just >> >> pip install foo > > Disregarding Mark's tongue-in-cheek rhetoric for now... Never :) perhaps you > didn't realise that, on Windows, you can't pip install a binary (that's > a problem the new wheel format is solving). And, even if you have the > correct compiler toolchain, building more complex packages from source > can be daunting, essentially because of the lack of standard source > layout on Windows. > > TJG > Thanks for the heads up. I didn't realise that wheel solved this problem. From my viewpoint thats the bee's knees. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence