Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'compiler': 0.07; 'installed.': 0.07; 'source.': 0.07; 'any)': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'python': 0.11; 'windows': 0.15; 'abi': 0.16; 'golden': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'appropriate': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'later': 0.20; 'programming': 0.22; 'install': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'skip': 0.24; 'shown': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'tim': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'really,': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'subject:the': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'i.e.': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'ends': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'users': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'referred': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'telling': 0.64; 'received:2': 0.84; 'am.': 0.91; 'treatment': 0.95; 'kit': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:16:35 +0100 References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> <5267CB8E.1010504@timgolden.me.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-201-160.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382537822 news.xs4all.nl 15972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43613 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57365 On 23/10/2013 14:52, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> Thankfully I am. I confess I don't understand how *nix people endure having >> to compile code instead of having a binary install. To me it's like going >> to the garage to buy a new car, being shown the parts and the tool kit and >> being told to get on with it. Perhaps it's a case of second class treatment >> for users of a second class OS? Ducks and runs for cover :) > > And we can't understand how you can put up without source. :-) Also, > Unix isn't one platform like Windows, ABI incompatibility and all. > > Really, for most things these days it's just > > pip install foo > > Skip > Which on Windows often ends up telling you that it can't find vcvarsall.bat, i.e. you don't have the appropriate version (if any) of the compiler installed. You then realise your mistake, go to the bookmarked link Tim Golden referred to earlier, and a minute or two later job done. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence