Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!news-transit.tcx.org.uk!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!usenetcore.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'else:': 0.03; 'context': 0.04; 'wed,': 0.04; 'elif': 0.05; '+0100,': 0.07; 'script,': 0.07; 'seemed': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; 'assumed': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'bourne': 0.16; 'hmm.': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'figure': 0.18; 'shell': 0.19; 'code,': 0.20; 'language': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'subject:list': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'thu,': 0.22; 'trying': 0.23; '(on': 0.23; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.23; 'received:mail- iw0-f174.google.com': 0.23; 'instead': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'concern': 0.29; "can't": 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'idea': 0.32; 'actually': 0.34; 'file': 0.35; 'think': 0.36; 'some': 0.37; 'case': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'steven': 0.38; 'word.': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'end': 0.39; 'under': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'could': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'would': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'best': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'piece': 0.63; 'crossed': 0.84; 'was.': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mm9hEdg2ClliM4nIQtYMdG16sdNoz7nzNbhQu0oX07E=; b=OhO8bVgD6INe4Dge48DC8q9II5+xrwQzdvjlxTEsATYK+e7pL0LTchY9J4ZWwbtAaS sIrDvAXpKcD0Ylj5d9eirJ81+BPhIDY02L9H8aI/wkz4YZOIVPgv0HOMKS38H5ZbZq9S dw/2+9kfsDrTPsH5uv3uR2+9qI2esb+gUHr50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XCJjXgmwWAY43Fov+QTZG8KalI4T2WWWGWU/+t/xrtKuEkztxCr4FI/pmkfUZA8BVw swK10/h3Bn9S5sYZ4ynzeeyjALHQ0TdlQVIr2Ly11Sx/N/030t6eINLwt3vggGeeKQbv zwteP3h58kS498tFbAydT9bUURaFX12q01OjA= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4dcab055$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <200e93c2-6b87-4113-9c6f-85815e51ea77@28g2000yqu.googlegroups.com> <4dc4b3c5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4dca7db5$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4dcab055$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 02:05:21 +1000 Subject: Re: checking if a list is empty From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1305129932 news.xs4all.nl 81474 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:45299 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:5129 On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:05:45 +0100, Hans Georg Schaathun wrote: > >> My concern was with the reader and not the writer. >> >> What could elif mean other than else: if? > > The first time I read Python code, I had literally no idea what to make > of elif. It seemed so obvious to me that any language would let you write > "else if ..." (on a single line) that I just assumed that elif must be > some other construct, and I had no idea what it was. It never even > crossed my mind that it could be "else if" rammed together into one word. In a Bourne shell script, if ends with fi... case ends with esac... so file would end with... hmm. Yeah, I think it's best to know the language you're trying to comprehend, and/or actually look at context instead of shoving a piece of code under someone's nose and saying "I bet you can't figure out what THIS does!". Chris Angelico