Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Kushal Kumaran Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [OT] Java generics Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:27:53 +0530 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <87potntq5a.fsf@carbon.locationd.net.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de bnM+lKHuTV2APAFRXaEu5wZy3F4/efoXp0vONQX5IUkg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'heavily': 0.04; 'python': 0.10; 'language,': 0.11; '2016': 0.16; 'distinction': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:Java': 0.16; 'url:java': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'java': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'originally': 0.23; 'tim': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'chris': 0.26; 'idea': 0.28; 'closer': 0.29; 'system,': 0.30; "can't": 0.32; 'included': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'source': 0.33; 'happened': 0.35; 'library.': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'making': 0.62; 'delaney': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=locationd.net; s=scandium; t=1460959074; bh=3RfOtxi+3sLSoPeryBbqIrvZ0REKH1qN6UrNYlEcylg=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fq760p2gFvm8OsuxXxXqBOCStXJBjQEmXMzJYgBSqbdJdVfdN7CwP85BcGxlGk+vJ QV/+vE5QILI4JzW97kxDCIjEq6vjSpbiRDywSzpdAYbxeql5a3qwxPtl3inbys72e6 hjFPFZ0cWKNFlk/lwYQpDQsAJKdYydSb+E3oqRLw= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on scandium.locationd.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=locationd.net; s=scandium; t=1460959074; bh=3RfOtxi+3sLSoPeryBbqIrvZ0REKH1qN6UrNYlEcylg=; h=From:To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fq760p2gFvm8OsuxXxXqBOCStXJBjQEmXMzJYgBSqbdJdVfdN7CwP85BcGxlGk+vJ QV/+vE5QILI4JzW97kxDCIjEq6vjSpbiRDywSzpdAYbxeql5a3qwxPtl3inbys72e6 hjFPFZ0cWKNFlk/lwYQpDQsAJKdYydSb+E3oqRLw= In-Reply-To: (Chris Angelico's message of "Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:30:56 +1000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130016 (Ma Gnus v0.16) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <87potntq5a.fsf@carbon.locationd.net.> X-Mailman-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107244 Chris Angelico writes: > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Tim Delaney > wrote: >> I also wouldn't describe Java as a >> "perfectly good language" - it is at best a compromise language that just >> happened to be heavily promoted and accepted at the right time. >> >> Python is *much* closer to my idea of a perfectly good language. > > "Java" was originally four related, but separate, concepts: a source > language, a bytecode, a sandboxing system, and one other that I can't > now remember. > > The included standard library. I read Jamie Zawinski making this distinction in his rant at https://www.jwz.org/doc/java.html -- regards, kushal