Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'binary': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'brett': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'learn,': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'assume': 0.14; 'changes': 0.15; 'windows': 0.15; '3.3,': 0.16; 'from:addr:timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'from:name:tim golden': 0.16; 'message-id:@timgolden.me.uk': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86': 0.16; 'received:74.55.86.74': 0.16; 'received:smtp.webfaction.com': 0.16; 'received:webfaction.com': 0.16; 'sheer': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'tjg': 0.16; 'wrestling': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'pieces': 0.19; 'user.': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; "aren't": 0.24; 'received:192.168.100': 0.24; 'williams': 0.24; 'url:edu': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'programmers': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'late': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'christopher': 0.36; 'impression': 0.36; 'limitations': 0.36; 'view,': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'growing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'extremely': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; "you're": 0.61; 'advanced': 0.63; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'effectively': 0.66; 'series': 0.66; 'biggest': 0.67; 'bothered': 0.68; 'watching': 0.68; 'url:v': 0.71; 'url:youtube': 0.71; 'url:watch': 0.77; 'from:addr:mail': 0.83; 'idiot': 0.84; 'captain': 0.91 Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:13:50 +0100 From: Tim Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382534034 news.xs4all.nl 15997 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54924 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57361 On 23/10/2013 14:05, Colin J. Williams wrote: > On 23/10/2013 8:35 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 23/10/2013 12:57, dufriz@gmail.com wrote: >>> Years have passed, and a LARGE number of Python programmers has not >>> even bothered learning version 3.x. >> >> The changes aren't large enough to worry a Python programmer so >> effectively there's nothing to learn, other than how to run 2to3. >> >>> ...there is no sign of their being updated for v3.x. >> >> Could have fooled me. The number is growing all the time. The biggest >> problem is likely (IMHO) to be the sheer size of the code base and >> limitations on manpower. >> >>> I get the impression as if 3.x, despite being better and more advanced >>> than 2.x from the technical point of view, is a bit of a letdown in >>> terms of adoption. >> >> I agree with this technical aspect, other than the disastrous flexible >> string representation, which has been repeatedly shot to pieces by, er, >> one idiot :) As for adaption we'll get there so please don't do a >> Captain Mainwearing[1] and panic. People should also be pursuaded by >> watching this from Brett Cannon >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebyz66jPyJg >> >> Just my 2 pence worth. >> >> [1] From the extremely popular BBC TV series "Dad's Army" of the late >> 60s and 70s. >> > It would be good if more of the packages were available, for Python 3.3, > in binary for the Windows user. > > I am currently wrestling with Pandas, lxml etc. Can I assume you're aware of the industrious Christopher Gohlke? http://www.lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs/ TJG