Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'string': 0.09; 'brett': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'learn,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'changes': 0.15; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sheer': 0.16; 'subject:ever': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'pieces': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; "aren't": 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; '[1]': 0.29; 'code': 0.31; 'run': 0.32; 'programmers': 0.33; 'updated': 0.34; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'late': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'impression': 0.36; 'limitations': 0.36; 'view,': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'growing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'extremely': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'world.': 0.61; 'advanced': 0.63; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'effectively': 0.66; 'series': 0.66; 'biggest': 0.67; 'bothered': 0.68; 'watching': 0.68; 'url:v': 0.71; 'url:youtube': 0.71; 'url:watch': 0.77; 'idiot': 0.84; 'received:2': 0.84; 'captain': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Will Python 3.x ever become the actual standard? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:35:53 +0100 References: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-2-98-201-160.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: <6e0bbc6b-9435-4a4b-8840-8a46cc4e0cc5@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382531773 news.xs4all.nl 15967 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34540 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57355 On 23/10/2013 12:57, dufriz@gmail.com wrote: > Years have passed, and a LARGE number of Python programmers has not even bothered learning version 3.x. The changes aren't large enough to worry a Python programmer so effectively there's nothing to learn, other than how to run 2to3. > ...there is no sign of their being updated for v3.x. Could have fooled me. The number is growing all the time. The biggest problem is likely (IMHO) to be the sheer size of the code base and limitations on manpower. > I get the impression as if 3.x, despite being better and more advanced than 2.x from the technical point of view, is a bit of a letdown in terms of adoption. I agree with this technical aspect, other than the disastrous flexible string representation, which has been repeatedly shot to pieces by, er, one idiot :) As for adaption we'll get there so please don't do a Captain Mainwearing[1] and panic. People should also be pursuaded by watching this from Brett Cannon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebyz66jPyJg Just my 2 pence worth. [1] From the extremely popular BBC TV series "Dad's Army" of the late 60s and 70s. -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence