Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'argument': 0.05; '"""': 0.07; 'context': 0.07; '[1,': 0.09; 'constructor': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rows': 0.09; 'separating': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'subject:method': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; 'creates': 0.14; "'b',": 0.16; '(1,': 0.16; "['a',": 0.16; '[*]': 0.16; 'brackets': 0.16; 'brackets,': 0.16; 'commas:': 0.16; 'denote': 0.16; 'elements,': 0.16; 'given,': 0.16; "gmane's": 0.16; 'ie.': 0.16; 'iterable': 0.16; 'iteration,': 0.16; 'iterator': 0.16; 'message- id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'returned,': 0.16; 'sequence,': 0.16; 'ways:': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'items.': 0.19; 'passing': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject: .': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.29; 'list:': 0.30; 'subject:list': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'reply.': 0.31; 'container': 0.31; 'object.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'method': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'requirements': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'subject: ': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; "you've": 0.63; 'making': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'frank': 0.68; 'construction': 0.72; 'square': 0.74; 'experiment': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'received:lsanca.fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: JBB Subject: Re: Passing a list into a list .append() method Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:08:57 +0000 (UTC) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 108.47.76.172 (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1410246550 news.xs4all.nl 2917 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42381 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:77714 Frank Millman chagford.com> writes: > > > "JBB" gmail.com> wrote in message > news:loom.20140909T073428-713 post.gmane.org... > >I have a list with a fixed number of elements which I need to grow; ie. add > > rows of a fixed number of elements, some of which will be blank. ... > I am sure that someone will give you a comprehensive answer, but here is a > quick clue which may be all you need. >... [ Deletia per gmane's requirements ] > Wrapping a list with 'list()' has the effect of making a copy of it. > > This is from the docs (3.4.1) - > > """ > Lists may be constructed in several ways: > > - Using a pair of square brackets to denote the empty list: [] > - Using square brackets, separating items with commas: [a], [a, b, c] > - Using a list comprehension: [x for x in iterable] > - Using the type constructor: list() or list(iterable) > > The constructor builds a list whose items are the same and in the same order > as iterable's items. > iterable may be either a sequence, a container that supports iteration, or > an iterator object. > If iterable is already a list, a copy is made and returned, similar to > iterable[:]. [*] > For example, list('abc') returns ['a', 'b', 'c'] and list( (1, 2, 3) ) > returns [1, 2, 3]. > If no argument is given, the constructor creates a new empty list, []. > """ > > I marked the relevant line with [*] > > HTH > > Frank Millman Ok, this does clear up why the list() construction worked in this context - I wasn't aware that it would create a copy. I'm still a little confused by why passing the list as an argument causes the list to change. But, I was not aware of the id() method to see what's equivalent to what. I'll experiment with this and you've given me some good ideas on other docs I need to read. Thank you for the quick reply. JBB