Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.albasani.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'skip:[ 20': 0.04; "'',": 0.07; 'arguments': 0.09; 'next,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'rows': 0.09; 'subject:into': 0.09; 'subject:method': 0.09; 'worked.': 0.09; 'url:blog': 0.10; 'changes': 0.15; "'b',": 0.16; "'c',": 0.16; "['a',": 0.16; 'desired:': 0.16; 'elements,': 0.16; 'ie.': 0.16; 'message- id:@post.gmane.org': 0.16; 'mutable': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'tuple': 0.16; 'tuple.': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'passing': 0.19; 'print': 0.22; 'this?': 0.23; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject: .': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'tried': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.29; 'skip:p 30': 0.29; 'subject:list': 0.30; 'along': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'extensively': 0.31; 'reduced': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; "didn't": 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'error.': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'expected': 0.38; 'e.g.': 0.38; 'others.': 0.38; 'skip:[ 10': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'url:2012': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'skip:p 20': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'applicable': 0.60; 'then,': 0.60; 'subject: ': 0.61; 'today.': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'finally': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'url:11': 0.68; 'caused': 0.69; 'manner.': 0.74; 'circles': 0.84; 'received:fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'received:lsanca.fios.verizon.net': 0.84; 'received:108': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: JBB Subject: Passing a list into a list .append() method Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 108.47.76.172 (Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:25.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/25.0) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 121 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1410242108 news.xs4all.nl 2839 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:57060 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:77712 I have a list with a fixed number of elements which I need to grow; ie. add rows of a fixed number of elements, some of which will be blank. e.g. [['a','b','c','d'], ['A','B','C','D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''], ... ] This is a reduced representation of a larger list-of-lists problem that had me running in circles today. I think I figured out _how_ to get what I want but I am looking to understand why one approach works and another doesn't. 1) What does NOT work as desired: proc_file = [] proc_file = [['a','b','c','d']] proc_file.append(['A','B','C','D']) blank_r = ['','','',''] qq = ['aa','bb','cc','dd'] rr = ['inky', 'binky', 'pinky', 'clyde'] for i,j in enumerate(zip(qq,rr)): proc_file.append((blank_r)) # Add a row of blanks proc_file[i+2][1] = j[0] proc_file[i+2][2] = j[1] print len(proc_file), blank_r, proc_file print print proc_file 3 ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', '']] 4 ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', '']] 5 ['', 'cc', 'pinky', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', ''], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', ''], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', '']] 6 ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', '']] Out[82]: [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', '']] 2) What works as desired: proc_file = [] proc_file = [['a','b','c','d']] proc_file.append(['A','B','C','D']) blank_r = ['','','',''] qq = ['aa','bb','cc','dd'] rr = ['inky', 'binky', 'pinky', 'clyde'] for i,j in enumerate(zip(qq,rr)): proc_file.append(list(blank_r)) # Change it to list(blank_r) and it works proc_file[i+2][1] = j[0] proc_file[i+2][2] = j[1] print len(proc_file), blank_r, proc_file print print proc_file 3 ['', '', '', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', '']] 4 ['', '', '', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', '']] 5 ['', '', '', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', '']] 6 ['', '', '', ''] [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', '']] Out[83]: [['a', 'b', 'c', 'd'], ['A', 'B', 'C', 'D'], ['', 'aa', 'inky', ''], ['', 'bb', 'binky', ''], ['', 'cc', 'pinky', ''], ['', 'dd', 'clyde', '']] ==== Due diligence I've read extensively on how arguments are passed to functions but I don't think they are completely applicable here (though interesting nevertheless) http://www.jeffknupp.com/blog/2012/11/13/is-python-callbyvalue-or-callbyreference-neither/ https://www.udacity.com/wiki/common-python-pitfalls and others. It looks like .append binds blank_r to proc_file in 1). I change proc_file and blank_r changes along with it. Should I expect this? I understand lists are mutable but I didn't expect that they could be associated/bound in this manner. I first tried "protecting" blank_r by passing it as a tuple. That caused an expected mismatch error. Next, I tried passing it as list(tuple(blank_r)) which worked. Then, I finally settled on 2) where I dispensed with the tuple conversion.