Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'vi,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'part,': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'windows,': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'do,': 0.15; 'dec': 0.15; 'awesome.': 0.16; 'desktop.': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'gpg': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'purposes.': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'later': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'hacking': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; 'linux': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'skip:[ 10': 0.26; 'environment.': 0.27; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'gaming': 0.29; 'perl': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'switch': 0.32; 'running': 0.32; 'programming,': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'guys': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'machines': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'love': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'great': 0.64; 'hello!': 0.65; 'market': 0.66; 'talking': 0.66; 'about?': 0.84; 'alike': 0.84; 'awesome,': 0.84; 'idiots': 0.84; 'it\xe2\x80\x99s': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84; 'url:tk': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5gH8Gv/dYPHyQoE7lfleoModcUQ7A7U0p7i7HvYWS9A=; b=KBEBFoNwChRl2TITA8Ujp7VVfqhc/9LIWgo/Ky3wE/PMeIHNe4cFJhIkfEK05iIDqZ Qz7QqcT75wQCSie26upZ1OSoTj2Yzjhcx13WNfe9TDQ5Mt0TECK6WzKaXIg9IXJe2FnN 1hwmha2Ie47KG0Ae8BSYhZjwQwdCpNGgWzOq68mgCg/LVY5Qnponw/Zj3IplYMz3UGCA Ll/O+EBb3TaHUeGlWXnfx3UjbCdPnltzLvBHERe7P3a1Xgoe+Zm43X3k1tOb94LNqkis dGW9T2y2VoZfjJ1DI0CwOzIRcTXbF38yfwBqiVcqIJIrnAFqWOsqrAW9eutdEbfUIYYv Gpjw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:27:26 +0100 Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? From: Kwpolska To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356690456 news.xs4all.nl 6887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36429 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35686 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, mogul wrote: > 'Aloha! Hello! > I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on u= nix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim. You are already awesome, > Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop. and now you just became more awesome. (sans the Kubuntu part, but I do not care.) > Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or w= ill vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too= for me? Do you really think that those Windows idiots know what they are talking about? It=E2=80=99s Windows, for fuck=E2=80=99s sake. The only OS= in the market that does not give a shit about POSIX. Windows does need an IDE, then, because it is really hard to do anything useful without one. Sure, this mail was sent from Windows, but I am using it for gaming purposes. If I want to do some programming, Linux is the proper environment. For me, it is Arch Linux with KDE and Konsole, running tabs of vim (with [python-mode][]) and ipython. And other useful tools (among others, Chrome with the docs.) [python-mode]: https://github.com/klen/python-mode > Oh, by the way, after 7 days I'm completely in love with this python thin= g. I should have made the switch much earlier! That is great news. --=20 Kwpolska stop html mail | always bottom-post www.asciiribbon.org | www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html GPG KEY: 5EAAEA16