Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeeder.ewetel.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.018 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'vi,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'do,': 0.15; 'desktop.': 0.16; 'gained': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'vim)': 0.16; 'later': 0.16; 'hacking': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; '(not': 0.20; 'stick': 0.22; 'help.': 0.22; 'linux': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'separate': 0.27; 'perl': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'window': 0.30; 'quickly': 0.32; 'switch': 0.32; 'traditional': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'guys': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'list': 0.35; 'machines': 0.35; 'open': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'client': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'editor': 0.37; 'does': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'content- disposition:inline': 0.60; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'between': 0.63; 'love': 0.63; 'to,': 0.65; 'believe': 0.69; 'benefit': 0.70; 'alike': 0.84; 'received:80.229': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kode5.net Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 06:51:20 +0000 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? Mail-Followup-To: python-list@python.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: Darwin 11.4.2 x86_64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 x-pgp-key: 1D31DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356677873 news.xs4all.nl 6980 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40434 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35679 * mogul [2012-12-27 12:01:16 -0800]: > 'Aloha! > > I'm new to python, got 10-20 years perl and C experience, all gained on unix alike machines hacking happily in vi, and later on in vim. > > Now it's python, and currently mainly on my kubuntu desktop. > > Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I do, or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the next 20 years too for me? > > Oh, by the way, after 7 days I'm completely in love with this python thing. I should have made the switch much earlier! > > /mogul %-) If these are the tools you're used to, stick with them. I have a tmux session with however many terminals open I need. I use the traditional vi editor (not vim) and the python shell/interpreter as well as the UNIX tools I need. A web browser and a separate urxvt window for my mutt client when I need to mail a list for some help. That's it. The benefit of the tmux client (terminal multiplexer) is that I can see all the screens at the same time and quickly switch between them. I believe Linux has screen(1) which does the same thing.