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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:30:44 +1000
Subject: Re: Python is going to be hard
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On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:38:40 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> So a fairer comparison is: How many applications produce non-debug
>> output on stderr or stdout? And that would be a much larger
>> percentage. Even GUI programs will, in some cases - for instance, try
>> firing up your favorite GUI text editor with no X server active, or
>> with invalid .Xauthority. You'll get some sort of error message - on
>> the console. Which means that somewhere in the GUI library, there's
>> fall-back code that produces console output. That's why I say it's the
>> most basic of all forms of that fundamental of programming, producing
>> output that a human can read. It's the simple one that you teach
>> first; everything else is built on that.
>
> Seeing the unix-centricity of this -- What's .Xauthority?? --

That's one particular example that's from Unix. I've seen (and
written) Windows GUI programs that use consoles, too. And OS/2 ones.
Can't speak for Mac OS Classic as I've never used it, but I'd be
surprised if it's not possible.

So I still stand by my statement that console output is a fundamental,
and it's not a bad thing to teach it.

ChrisA