Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.159 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.68; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'talks': 0.03; 'mess': 0.09; 'next,': 0.09; 'thats': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'books': 0.15; "(i'll": 0.16; 'anyhow,': 0.16; 'boring,': 0.16; 'eat': 0.16; 'enough.': 0.16; 'filters,': 0.16; 'grasp': 0.16; 'grip': 0.16; 'grounds': 0.16; 'it;': 0.16; 'months)': 0.16; 'parts,': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'stuff.': 0.16; 'substitute': 0.16; 'throw': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'do.': 0.18; 'looked': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'trying': 0.19; 'fit': 0.20; 'aug': 0.22; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'function': 0.29; 'generally': 0.29; 'designer': 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; 'bunch': 0.31; 'fighting': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'there.': 0.32; 'figure': 0.32; 'know.': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'interface': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'lab': 0.33; 'url:non-standard http port': 0.33; '"the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'received:66': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'advice': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'building': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'problems': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'resource': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'easy': 0.60; '2nd': 0.60; 'money.': 0.60; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'free': 0.61; 'firm': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'simple': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.64; 'places': 0.64; 'teaching': 0.64; 'become': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'school': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'great': 0.65; 'teach': 0.65; 'worth': 0.66; 'mar': 0.68; 'book.': 0.68; 'broadcast': 0.68; 'enjoy': 0.71; 'other.': 0.75; 'received:204': 0.75; 'low': 0.83; 'basics.': 0.84; 'cars': 0.84; 'circuit': 0.84; 'circuits': 0.84; 'desperately': 0.84; 'electronics.': 0.84; 'seeing,': 0.84; 'start.': 0.84; 'stuff:': 0.84; 'edition': 0.86; '(pdt)': 0.91; 'boxes': 0.91; 'thing,': 0.91; 'diploma': 0.93; 'retired': 0.93; 'electronics': 0.95; 'hands': 0.96 X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: ++ From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Raspberry pi, python and robotics Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:09:07 -0400 References: <20140902093058.0ac902ed@rg.highlandtechnology.com> In-Reply-To: <20140902093058.0ac902ed@rg.highlandtechnology.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1409681358 news.xs4all.nl 2862 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47720 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:77446 On Tuesday 02 September 2014 12:30:58 Rob Gaddi did opine And Gene did reply: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 23:39:01 -0700 (PDT) > > Nicholas Cannon wrote: > > I really enjoy engineering at school and we make like fighting robots > > and stuff(simple stuff of course) and i really enjoy it. I have got > > a raspberry pi and a decent understanding of python and i want to do > > make stuff like RC cars and drones and stuff. Also I like > > electronics. Is there any good places to learn all this stuff like > > down to the basics of electronics because I have looked around and > > all the books I have seen just throw some electronics together and > > say yep thats done. I would like to work on my own projects after I > > get a grip on the basics. Where could I find some good recourses on > > this stuff. > > Learn electronics properly, then start thinking about interfacing one > to the other. I say this as a professional circuit designer who spends > a whole mess of time automating things in Python. If you don't have a > firm grasp of the underlying basics of electronics as its own thing, > trying to interface will eat you alive with problems that you don't > understand because you can't understand the circuitry. > > The best teaching electronics resource I know, hands down, is Horowitz > and Hill's "The Art of Electronics". The second edition is ancient now, > but still will teach you everything you need to know. Even used copies > are a bit expensive. That's because it's an excellent book. It's > worth the money. > > Next, to learn electronics you need to do electronics. Theory talks the > walk, molten lead walks the walk. That means copper boards, and a > soldering iron, and parts, and a DVM, and an oscilloscope. A function > generator is a great thing to have as well, but if desperately > necessary you can live without one. You're still in school, so you > hopefully have an EE lab there. Take advantage of it. If you don't, > find some local hackerspace with some gear, otherwise getting up and > running will cost you a solid $1200 just in gear. LTSpice is a great > free simulator, and the simulator can help you understand what you > should be seeing, but there's no substitute for getting your hands > dirty. > > Start by building the simple stuff: resistor dividers, RC low pass > filters, etc. They're trivial, they're boring, and you already > understand what they should do. Do them anyhow, you need to get lead > under your fingernails and a feel for how to make a decent solder joint > while you're still working the easy stuff because if your solder's crap > when you start trying to do the more complex stuff you'll never figure > it out. Work your way through AofE. Do the problems, build the > circuits. Plan on it taking a solid year before you become "good" at > it; you're young and have it to spend. > > Actually do all that and you'll understand as much about circuits as > anyone they're giving an EE degree to these days. Then you can start. That is some of the best advice I have seen on an email list, and I am on a bunch of them. Generally I will 2nd that, or 3rd it as the case may be. It simply cannot be emphasized enough. I am a retired (I'll be 80 on 2 months) broadcast engineer who got his diploma from the School of Hard Knocks. And I am still getting my hands dirty, they do fit the tools. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page US V Castleman, SCOTUS, Mar 2014 is grounds for Impeaching SCOTUS