Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'over,': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'cvs': 0.09; 'editor.': 0.09; 'git': 0.09; 'lost.': 0.09; 'oh,': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'subversion,': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; ':-)': 0.13; 'do,': 0.15; '-tkc': 0.16; 'from:addr:python.list': 0.16; 'from:addr:tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'from:name:tim chase': 0.16; 'git.': 0.16; 'intimate': 0.16; 'mercurial,': 0.16; 'message- id:@tim.thechases.com': 0.16; 'received:70.251': 0.16; 'received:dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:rcsntx.swbell.net': 0.16; 'received:swbell.net': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'windows': 0.19; 'stick': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'programming': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'coding': 0.27; 'changes:': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'worked': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '(and': 0.32; 'switch': 0.32; 'guys': 0.33; 'know.': 0.33; 'languages': 0.33; 'me?': 0.33; 'text': 0.34; 'dance': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; "won't": 0.35; 'next': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'days': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'real': 0.61; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'love': 0.63; 'received:50.22': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:25:38 -0600 From: Tim Chase User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mogul Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - boston.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - python.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tim.thechases.com Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1356643465 news.xs4all.nl 6969 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33058 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:35656 On 12/27/12 14:01, mogul wrote: > Do I really need a real IDE, as the windows guys around me say I > do, or will vim, git, make and other standalone tools make it the > next 20 years too for me? Coding Python (and before that C, Pascal, and even some VB in there) using vi/vim has worked for about 10 of the last 15 years of my career. Most VCS concepts carry over, even if the exact technology changes: I started off with zipfiles, then an unfortunate dance with VSS & CVS before finding Subversion, then Mercurial, and now git. So time spent with git won't be lost. Some like the hand-holding of a full-blown IDE, but I prefer to get intimate with the code and stick to a text editor. > Oh, by the way, after 7 days I'm completely in love with this > python thing. I should have made the switch much earlier! Alas, one of the worst parts about programming in Python is that I now find it hard to go back to any of the other languages that I know. :-) -tkc