Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.01; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'received:209.85.212.46': 0.03; 'received:mail- vw0-f46.google.com': 0.03; 'frameworks': 0.04; 'sanity': 0.07; 'openness': 0.09; 'reason.': 0.09; 'linux': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'aggressively': 0.16; 'bios': 0.16; 'development;': 0.16; 'ever.': 0.16; 'gonna': 0.16; 'it...': 0.16; 'kernel.': 0.16; 'notebook,': 0.16; 'punish': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'upset': 0.16; 'venue,': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; '(which': 0.21; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'desk,': 0.23; 'indicating': 0.23; 'similarly': 0.23; 'received:209.85.212': 0.25; 'actively': 0.26; 'proprietary': 0.26; 'regardless': 0.26; '(in': 0.27; 'direction': 0.29; 'fri,': 0.29; 'alternatives': 0.29; 'control.': 0.31; 'engineering': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'project': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; '...': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'from:charset:iso-8859-1': 0.33; "isn't": 0.34; 'received:192.168.1': 0.34; 'received:192': 0.34; 'clearly': 0.34; 'advocate': 0.35; 'apache,': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'vendors': 0.35; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'connected': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'hardware': 0.38; 'science,': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'software': 0.38; 'help': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'projects.': 0.40; 'would': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'levels': 0.60; 'free': 0.62; 'spend': 0.63; 'you?': 0.63; 'marketing': 0.64; 'ever': 0.65; 'fund': 0.66; 'society': 0.67; 'buy': 0.67; 'business': 0.68; 'family,': 0.68; 'refuse': 0.68; 'freedom': 0.69; 'marketplace': 0.69; 'products': 0.70; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'anything,': 0.73; 'educate': 0.73; 'ideas.': 0.73; 'message-id:@localhost.localdomain': 0.74; 'education,': 0.77; 'fight': 0.77; 'money': 0.78; 'purchase': 0.80; 'alike.': 0.84; 'anyways.': 0.84; 'cameras,': 0.84; 'intentions': 0.84; 'training)': 0.84; 'dollars': 0.87; 'open,': 0.91; 'way)': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xbBBZDJDXElJs0yvkPdC6aQV3UIUx7NN7fwCINLC4Z4=; b=uNrzFS2EqRHx9Su0ezYSh+5gVtTee3N292W/YeN7H3zS/3YbKWzAR9SnZuSpejDJG+ 8Eg3uAXOEeSvDaZ/Vtg4RKKO+Awe22WZZidzBLDbuiA8IXqSF23n1546c3lkNTQCUiX3 O7riu0E5bfiuLzsGGq9lWT0mh+88ZJ6rjJA5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=CGHLaoUmRg7lPJutbz22bzuH1oN3tfAOqOYjfl/OVWTb84RFEdGzVnyrTWmV5AvwIx 1Jwu6OzLFfSgLtbTeHazUPUZrx1zPlgLdCp0Ov8BKGXukwH/I8GW8Aby/Od1jzGTJeE/ 8KDuyM7SSABfIaCaORJXQ4jcL7jlSxShusD2E= Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Westley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= To: python-list@python.org In-Reply-To: References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:14:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 53 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302272089 news.xs4all.nl 81481 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:58758 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:2841 On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 01:41 -0500, harrismh777 wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Just like Python, Apache, and the Linux kernel. What are you going to do > > to punish them? > > What do you mean 'just like"....? They are nothing alike. > > (which is why the community is upset by sone, but not the others: hint) > > The punishment? ... withdraw support and use of the project as well as > continue to aggressively support activism in all areas of freedom for > computer science, including but not limited to the following: > > 1) I, nor my family, will ever purchase another Microsoft anything, from > anyone, connected in any way, nor for any reason. Microsoft gets no more > money from me, ever. > > 2) I do not use non-free software at any level nor for any reason at any > time regardless of pain or inconvenience. > > 3) I work hard to advocate for free software alternatives to proprietary > software at all levels... including bios and firmware. > > 4) I help to fund free software initiatives, choices, and development; > conversely I refuse to fund (in any way) proprietary software > initiatives and projects. > > 5) I educate the public in my sphere of influence for freedom and > freedom choices, including the software engineering venue, and whenever > possible persuade users of non-free software and Microsoft collaborative > software to use only free software and only frameworks that are removed > from Microsoft direction and control. > > 6) I actively advocate with vendors of free software at all levels to > drop non-free software from their distros and to similarly punish > Microsoft collaborative software initiatives and projects. (networking, > communication, education, awareness training) > > 7) I write lots and lots of letters... to computer distributors, > software houses, &etc., with the message of freedom; a plea for the > openness of a free society and sanity in the marketplace of ideas. I > make my marketing intentions clear to vendors who would like me to spend > my dollars with them ( cards, drivers, printers, cameras, comp hardware > desk, notebook, netbook, others) clearly indicating that their products > must be open, not require Microsoft proprietary drivers, and be free > from non-free software and firmware. > > > Freedom isn't free... you have to fight for it... always. Why should a business listen to you? You're not gonna buy any software anyways.