Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'conventions': 0.07; 'subject:installation': 0.07; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'statements': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'add,': 0.16; 'equip': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'inclusive.': 0.16; 'latter,': 0.16; 'unhelpful': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'entered': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'error': 0.23; '"you': 0.24; 'text,': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'guys': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; 'environment': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'asking': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; "doesn't": 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; '"please': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'tool': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'described': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'gmail': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'quote': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'making': 0.63; 'myself': 0.63; 'telling': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'yourself': 0.78; '10:32': 0.84; 'areas.': 0.84; 'pertaining': 0.84; 'taken.': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=83QnJYqX3KMKkRS9pomVxb3Cn48hrwAsl51n5S0yJqA=; b=P/K1QIvVOu+3EqvsNeTbsA33Gf1yCvZy68rxgwaGDpDhcLIa1f8KoD80jian27KTTs nmymFoEsHQp08XYynoGlf/n34DmWh9bldGFHJAH6MX059evupvMdzYOEItTcECRwSaWM YFCTDsfWEq4IiR+UcQ2t/nLvLmD65WgFdsyjW/QAWkGAcY+jBP5GoVDk9NvnMumByGjE CKMjHDvHaUgqo8y+Vqxr6pmNJWzMUjFjujl9PquaLQqRSKNv2R9T8qlmOR+lKStM7CLV 2GsqSilIN2p2utzrwSd9ebY9ReFbtB1TpKiSHMyHW9ZXps9hXUBA6bL5ceIn+dKwhe24 56fQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.80.76 with SMTP id p12mr21543776igx.34.1409577380496; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 23:16:20 +1000 Subject: Re: Psycopg2 package installation puzzle in Pycharm - any thoughts? From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1409577389 news.xs4all.nl 2929 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37377 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:77404 On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:32 PM, wrote: > Posting style point taken. Google groups doesn't exactly help you with that. > > * You guys have probably been tinkering with this stuff for years. I haven't. > * Your man on the street would say I described the error fairly well. > * It's not like I wasn't trying my best to fix it myself > * So far as environment tinkering is concerned I have entered a "launchctl setenv PATH" statement in two places. Both reversible. > * I think what I have is an issue pertaining to OSX Mavericks and Pycharm. If you have nothing to add, just say it. > * Statements like "Please equip yourself with a tool that provides us with some context" add nothing and are not exactly community inclusive. Part of the point is that Google Groups is quite unhelpful in these areas. There are alternatives - you can get a newsreader, or you can join the mailing list. (I do the latter, and Gmail works fairly well.) Sometimes, the community is best served by telling people about flawed tools. It's more courteous than saying "You didn't quote any text, and that's making it really hard for us to follow" and blaming you personally for it :) But the fact is that it *does* make things harder for other people, and the onus is on you to follow the conventions of courtesy. That's why people are asking you to change software - because good software makes it easy to be courteous. ChrisA