Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'output': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'stops': 0.07; 'beginners': 0.09; 'to)': 0.09; '23,': 0.16; 'adjacent': 0.16; 'invokes': 0.16; 'wraps': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(not': 0.18; 'example': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; '>': 0.26; 'player': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'could': 0.34; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'show': 0.63; 'here': 0.66; 'music': 0.75; 'panel,': 0.84; 'weaker': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=E+AaigOmY64pHWsrt3fopg/A2q46GRrVOanWNwvEEVo=; b=sD6mh/J9LwB7CeDVBHF94uabi49FHaZPVeU8jKXG/KSGO3ptz5demSs8bjRpL+nWNX KmlGBTuwJpdSqVricaSIoCO5Nv0B9Bt+/xA6YVHwzyrrOtwa7suPO9nWMlNbpAeqh2Fr ClYwal6ac4zjk4+hr5LWiYV/hxtSfGYghD72pDXyZ4KWJ1KBCQaNqqIOxDkQJcksXkUb 610AeUBblfxNBPqjT/leDGPhNPrJ52jWglSQVrd+Vdah6wflS2YIYPyAPxPxCtHSM9Oc FbvciF6tZCbVcaJomyaWopebQsuJjCksabZuNy+HbVAot2ekQbAHVksxMT2ln1b2/0C8 jacg== X-Received: by 10.66.154.234 with SMTP id vr10mr14046107pab.44.1408802572079; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:02:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5c595a04-1154-47fd-ba05-05131f3a0bb7@googlegroups.com> References: <87fvgoj2i8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87siko9tlq.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53F7B870.2010909@gmail.com> <5c595a04-1154-47fd-ba05-05131f3a0bb7@googlegroups.com> From: Ian Kelly Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:02:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Python vs C++ To: Python Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d83b8de187b05014c682a X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408802916 news.xs4all.nl 2936 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35340 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76869 --047d7b6d83b8de187b05014c682a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Here is an example (not identical but analogous to) where markup+compile is > distinctly weaker than wysiwyg: > > You can use lilypond to type music and the use a midi player to play it > But lilypond does not allow playing and seeing-in-realtime > > WYSIWYG editors allow that -- can make a huge difference to beginners > who find music hard to read. I don't know how fast lilypond is, but perhaps one could write an editor that wraps lilypond and invokes it in realtime to show the output in an adjacent panel, perhaps with a brief delay when the user stops typing. --047d7b6d83b8de187b05014c682a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> wrote:
&= gt; Here is an example (not identical but analogous to) where markup+compil= e is
> distinctly weaker than wysiwyg:
>
> You can use lilypond t= o type music and the use a midi player to play it
> But lilypond does= not allow playing and seeing-in-realtime
>
> WYSIWYG editors a= llow that -- can make a huge difference to beginners
> who find music hard to read.

I don't know how fast lil= ypond is, but perhaps one could write an editor that wraps lilypond and inv= okes it in realtime to show the output in an adjacent panel, perhaps with a= brief delay when the user stops typing.
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