Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'beginners': 0.09; 'to)': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; '23,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '(not': 0.18; 'basically': 0.19; 'example': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'lets': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'nearly': 0.26; 'player': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'markup': 0.31; "i'd": 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'form.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'in.': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'simple,': 0.60; 'simple': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'fact,': 0.69; 'music': 0.75; 'proves': 0.84; 'weaker': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=Qe/Nh8R0IJX8MktLZeePABVOtBs9hQCdWJdP1VGCKUQ=; b=dhyBWVzlACla9ZESq2ls+wX03ybsk84S/M7VJueYtbhtWwD8Lf6rfkRiZG9EmYKdJ9 1lqUagIkajqfd8RZNuXQEmhC54/xe1xnYHmKFm7jRo1Q7WYPTZAXTiMhaTbSJb7DubCd QZb+HzgckSSEI+e17VIQnk4o4G2FnIac81Er8V7POvPR27fX5skERcIrX5wIq39Y1YIO SqWQ0+OzO9FzhYh+x9bCB7s7mT0qc6b+T3mG+h6ohHD+KtxCA5VtHd61EvLLB/2PC40H 2VAqHa2GVHal+Va1sD1tOm9QNYdECnMc8rsPGaHx1Lg1yXoL5AoN9QxhEVRmfMS2nfjQ A91A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.51.17.2 with SMTP id ga2mr4657165igd.2.1408798825552; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 06:00:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5c595a04-1154-47fd-ba05-05131f3a0bb7@googlegroups.com> References: <87fvgoj2i8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87siko9tlq.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53F7B870.2010909@gmail.com> <5c595a04-1154-47fd-ba05-05131f3a0bb7@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:00:25 +1000 Subject: Re: Python vs C++ From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408798833 news.xs4all.nl 2874 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45447 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76864 On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Rustom Mody wrote: > Here is an example (not identical but analogous to) where markup+compile is > distinctly weaker than wysiwyg: > > You can use lilypond to type music and the use a midi player to play it > But lilypond does not allow playing and seeing-in-realtime > > WYSIWYG editors allow that -- can make a huge difference to beginners > who find music hard to read. I don't buy that it's weaker. In fact, I'd say this proves that markup is distinctly better - just a little harder to do "Hello, world" in. At best, the simple GUI makes it easier to do something straight-forward, and then basically lets you drop to the more complicated form. At worst, it makes it easier to do the very simple, and nearly impossible to do the more complicated. ChrisA