Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'beginner': 0.05; 'see.': 0.07; 'vi,': 0.07; '22,': 0.09; 'modes': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'runs': 0.10; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'cc:name:python list': 0.16; 'macros': 0.16; 'phases.': 0.16; 'steep': 0.16; 'do,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; "aren't": 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'define': 0.26; 'nearly': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'especially': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'url:ref': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.38; 'simple': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.62; 'such': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'decided': 0.64; 'worth': 0.66; 'anything.': 0.68; 'click': 0.77; 'saw': 0.77; 'glad': 0.83; 'forced': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'subject:Global': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6z2EplSHLQnodaFPN1iMn6ekU6dja70yqRw2sET5pLo=; b=lrSh+2N4DdtsG/3WlD903KA/ysOad/3UiX9Q04LGnSTzpGOz7MRGsWhp82GTfe4kpp 3p6eLGx85l1GvzSfpjg7RfUjvBEA6UTdAgMeuR9/VxZHVwGumc7eallDCHwDhc/oiZqD cCzqJUZEj1jcCAcE+sBltTBMGia50+DzN8v9ug4DpugtDG+006I/eTwJAdCApzXNtrzg 6MDIFDyjuo9Hkd8LQaeuUR5U5PnzhuCEKxv2zxugrzkYrpmd9rfwID4RZCMSMJILeD49 qWNQjY9ss5a82vL2zYFrN66YBF9qxJb7jAmRKDx51Mu/ZxxBpNqZL+uu9XfffgFGtYWR RcYw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.120.38 with SMTP id kz6mr6983538lab.8.1408742043569; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20140822125414.1fe9eb5c@rg.highlandtechnology.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 14:14:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Global indent From: Dan Stromberg To: "Neil D. Cerutti" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Python List X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408742051 news.xs4all.nl 2855 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40443 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76824 On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Neil D. Cerutti wrote: >> Emacs and vim both have huge learning curves that I've decided aren't >> worth climbing. Notepad++ is an excellent GUI text editor for Windows. >> Geany is nearly as good, and runs on anything. > > > They do have a very long learning incline but it isn't actually as steep as > it looks--it's just that it keeps going up as far as you can see. :) > > If simple things weren't simple to do, neither product would have ever > succeeded. > > The GUI version of Vim (gvim), has beginner modes and Windows-like modes to > help with the transitional phases. Learning vi: http://stromberg.dnsalias.org/~strombrg/vi.ref.6 The first time I saw vi, I hated it. I thought "Why would anyone actually choose such a terrible editor?" But then I was forced to use vi for a while, and I'm glad I was. I choose it over other editors now. vi/vim give you a pretty much orthogonal set of verbs and nouns in an editing language. When I have to use editors that make you arrow-key around or click with a mouse, I feel like it's painfully slow - especially if I need to do the same thing 5 times in a row. Sure, some editors let you define macros - vi/vim do that too. But AFAIK, only vi/vim allow you to define a repeatable action without forethought.