Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.040 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'programmer': 0.03; 'startup': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'c++,': 0.07; 'javascript,': 0.07; 'perl,': 0.07; 'php,': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; '(sorry,': 0.16; 'bash,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'it),': 0.16; 'massively': 0.16; 'programmer,': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'you"': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'replace': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'appreciated': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'raise': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'went': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'knows': 0.35; 'received:209.85.220': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'c++': 0.36; 'doubt': 0.36; 'himself': 0.36; 'ibm': 0.36; 'joined': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'employee': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'little': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'lower': 0.61; 'year.': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'day.': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'subject:more': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'internet': 0.71; 'hey,': 0.75; 'day': 0.76; 'low': 0.83; 'december,': 0.84; 'end.': 0.84; 'idiot': 0.84; 'portugal.': 0.84; 'subject:money': 0.84; '"how': 0.91; 'speaks': 0.91; 'why?': 0.91; 'average': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BKOz/tgVB7vGX7DrszlQlP75qG9G1gKZlpuGPM5j8ME=; b=QYsG3wthCAg3wWwK95G7pSpO3CdKyXIOReQFB5/kGCouo4bobw7DhTT51D/ULzLwEA hRnFjXVb0X46v9i4wxfCiUk3b/RNCJbTAoJSgTvd5SNtZi1knQL7f8FO+op0dNy9sPRt K0t89XZXBgtaZwyNvT1Zog7N+FKUm+Lih3qlR93LH+28fz6BercrNIv0MsfyoPFsRxyb htlykWKKidQo1FcFG26Zqn18riFw2eWuEAMUG4Xt6DrVmlIuhDpfO/c8Z+aIeNSgXAYw sX+9iLAKf8XoX+JoR+JRrlKgW6ftsgbxbyix8OGrssBiavAPua4ChsDMQDOPiOIoJFxe Ih5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.67.200 with SMTP id s8mr3811526vci.66.1367827345700; Mon, 06 May 2013 01:02:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5186aeb6$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:02:25 +1000 Subject: Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1367827347 news.xs4all.nl 15916 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:45776 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:44810 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:49 PM, F=E1bio Santos w= rote: > I may rise the average pay of a Python programmer in Portugal. I have ask= ed > for a raise back in December, and was told that it wouldn't happen before > this year. I have done well. I think I deserve better pay than a supermar= ket > employee now. I am sure that my efforts were appreciated and I will be > rewarded. I am being sarcastic. > > The above paragraph wouldn't be true if I programmed in perl, c++ or lisp= . I dunno, it depends more on where you work than what you work with. I'm the top employee at my workplace and use C++, Pike, PHP, Javascript, and bash, plus ancillaries like SQL... and my salary is definitely on the low end. Why? Because I work for a startup. No doubt Google or IBM would pay their top people way more than I'm getting, but that's not something a little internet startup can afford. So I bide my time :) Some day we'll be massively profitable... some day. And if not, hey, I'm making enough to survive. Of course, there's the whole thing of "how easy would it be to replace you" too. If the only language you know is PHP, chances are you can be replaced by any idiot straight out of secondary skool (sorry, that's school_real_secondary now isn't it), but someone who speaks FORTRAN and knows the bank's internal systems well enough to maintain them can ask for whatever salary he likes and still be cheaper than finding a replacement. But that expert FORTRAN programmer, if he quit his job and went searching, would quite probably find himself at the lower end again if he joined a small company. ChrisA