Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!cs.uu.nl!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'class,': 0.07; 'differently': 0.07; 'behave': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'looked': 0.10; 'def': 0.10; '(like': 0.15; 'lambda': 0.16; 'nonzero': 0.16; 'object):': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:dip.t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:t-dialin.net': 0.16; 'traceback.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'instance,': 0.17; "shouldn't": 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'define': 0.20; 'question.': 0.20; 'bit': 0.21; 'pass': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'opposed': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'steven': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'classes': 0.30; 'print': 0.32; 'defining': 0.33; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'wrong': 0.34; 'false': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mean': 0.38; 'gives': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'situation': 0.62; 'between': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'special': 0.73; 'case?': 0.84; 'classic:': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> Subject: Re: __getattr__ Confusion Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:15:47 +0100 Organization: None References: <095a0432-f8a4-40b4-96ed-1588896fba66@googlegroups.com> <510f3a91$0$29866$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <863c89b0-2125-4525-8ad8-1111b0a6beae@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5084b0cb.dip.t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/4.7.3 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1359987291 news.xs4all.nl 6949 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41694 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:38123 Saul Spatz wrote: > Now I have another question. If dunder methods are looked up only in the > class, not the instance, why did defining __nonzero__ the way I did work? > Shouldn't I have had to define it with a def? Is __nonzero__ a special > case? Unfortunately the situation is a bit more complex. Classic classes (like Tkinter.Frame) behave differently from newstyle classes (subclasses of object): >>> def nz(): ... print "nonzero" ... return 0 ... >>> class Classic: pass ... >>> c = Classic() >>> c.__nonzero__ = nz >>> not c nonzero True >>> class New(object): pass ... >>> n = New() >>> n.__nonzero__ = nz >>> not n False So Steven is wrong here. > Shouldn't I have had to define it with a def? If you mean as opposed to a lambda, there is no difference between f = lambda ... and def f(...): ... other than that the last one gives you a nice name in a traceback.