Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Encapsulation in Python Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 21:23:33 +0000 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <56E17985.7060002@benmezger.nl> <6984dafc-fffd-4d46-a173-421bb5c142d2@googlegroups.com> <4ddc3696-3f71-4598-98a6-929267f51fb9@googlegroups.com> <56e53cd3$0$1586$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1376c684-2e7f-417a-9683-e47789f019fe@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de OyV3QJnQZywSf3ElmPoJPQ1QgZsXViSWIveLTAsIsaVw== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'prefix': 0.07; 'api': 0.09; 'confuse': 0.09; 'ignoring': 0.09; 'migration': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'argument': 0.15; 'importing': 0.15; '11:32': 0.16; '2016': 0.16; 'mess,': 0.16; 'modules,': 0.16; 'programmers,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'latter': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'minor': 0.22; 'am,': 0.23; 'appears': 0.23; 'split': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'separate': 0.27; 'least': 0.27; '14,': 0.27; 'race,': 0.29; 'symbols': 0.29; 'random': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; "we're": 0.30; 'entry': 0.31; "can't": 0.32; 'knows': 0.32; 'language.': 0.32; 'possibly': 0.32; 'source': 0.33; 'case,': 0.34; 'except': 0.34; 'something': 0.35; 'community': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'smaller': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'done.': 0.37; 'johnson': 0.37; 'things': 0.38; 'doing': 0.38; 'detail': 0.38; 'itself': 0.38; 'along': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'claim': 0.61; "you'll": 0.61; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'latest': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'mar': 0.65; 'expect.': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84; 'tkinter,': 0.84; 'rick': 0.93; 'subject:skip:E 10': 0.96 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.234.129.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:104865 On 14/03/2016 21:09, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Rick Johnson > wrote: >> Ignoring Tkinter, which is a gawd awful mess, how would you >> re-organize the 3,656 symbols in OpenGL.GL into smaller >> modules, without dividing them up along some random or >> arbitrary lines? > > In that particular case, I wouldn't, except possibly as an > implementation detail with the main OpenGL package importing the > contents of all its sub-packages into itself (and I think that if you > look at the PyOpenGL source you'll find that it's doing something > similar). It's following a well-documented API that is separate from > its Python wrapper. It's unfortunate that the only namespacing > considered in the design of that API was "everything starts with the > prefix gl", but that's what we're stuck with. Moving things around > would just confuse users who can't then find them where they expect. > If it was reorganised rr would claim that it had split the community in the same way that the disastrous migration from Python 2 to 3 has done. The minor snag to his argument is that I'm not aware of any such split. Python 2.8, RickedPython, and the latest entry into the race, BartCPython, all vapourware. At least rr knows something about tkinter/IDLE, whereas the latter appears to know squat about anything. You can fool all of the programmers, all of the time? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence