Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'output': 0.05; 'string': 0.09; 'act,': 0.09; 'assuming': 0.09; 'latter': 0.09; 'parsing': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:How': 0.10; 'api': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'assumptions': 0.16; 'attributes,': 0.16; 'attributes:': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'programmer,': 0.16; 'quirks': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; '>>>': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'import': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'string,': 0.24; 'least': 0.26; 'values': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'skip:p 30': 0.29; 'writes:': 0.31; 'yes.': 0.31; 'worked': 0.33; 'subject:time': 0.33; 'skip:d 20': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'library.': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'depends': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'structure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; "you'll": 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'details': 0.65; 'between': 0.67; 'benefit': 0.68; 'promise': 0.68; 'subject': 0.69; 'skip:r 30': 0.69; 'therefore': 0.72; 'contains.': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'subject:location': 0.84; '\xe2\x80\x9cthe': 0.91; 'directly.': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: How to look up historical time zones by date and location Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:53:45 +1000 References: <53F2A8E2.9000804@gmail.com> <20140819231436.GA77365@cskk.homeip.net> <53F3FA7C.3060907@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/m+riV+8p5NRKuLql+6A0dilJGY= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408499644 news.xs4all.nl 2865 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43729 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76629 luofeiyu writes: > >>> tz1 > > >>> repr(tz1) > "" Yes. Remember that ‘repr’ is for the benefit of the programmer, and there is no promise of what it contains. > >>> x=repr(tz1) > >>> x > "" > >>> import re > >>> re.search("LMT.+\s",x).group() > 'LMT+8:06:00 ' This is wildly fragile. The ‘repr’ output depends on unpublished attributes: implementation details not part of the API which therefore can change without notice. You're then parsing a free-form string assuming that it will contain a structure for the data you want. All of those assumptions are subject to change without notification, and the result would be a bug in your code, not the library. At the least: Reduce the number of fragile links in that chain. If you want access to unpublished attributes, then simply access them directly. >>> import pytz >>> tz1 = pytz.timezone("Asia/Shanghai") >>> (zone_name, tzname, utcoffset, is_dst) = (tz1.zone, tz1._tzname, tz1._utcoffset, tz1._dst) >>> zone_name, tzname, utcoffset, is_dst ('Asia/Shanghai', 'CST', datetime.timedelta(0, 28800), datetime.timedelta(0)) Then use those values however you like. The values will still be subject to change without notice. But at least you'll avoid parsing structured data from a string, and you'll avoid whatever quirks go into the ‘repr’ output. -- \ “The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that | `\ the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked | _o__) and he has not been caught.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney