Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'enhancements': 0.09; 'from:addr:ethan': 0.09; 'from:addr:stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'from:name:ethan furman': 0.09; 'message-id:@stoneleaf.us': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'backwards': 0.16; 'tuple': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; '3.0': 0.19; 'packages.': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:like': 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'posts': 0.26; 'second': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'that.': 0.31; 'breaking': 0.31; 'minor': 0.31; 'releases,': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'bugs': 0.33; 'version': 0.36; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'received:173': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'series': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'expectations': 0.74; 'several)': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:14:34 -0700 From: Ethan Furman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Why Python 4.0 won't be like Python 3.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408382076 news.xs4all.nl 2935 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39849 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76492 On 08/18/2014 07:51 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > > To all of us out here in user-land a change in the first value in the > version tuple means breakage and incompatibilities. And when the > second value is "0", you avoid it until some other sucker has found > the bugs and a few more minor releases have come out. Even our own 3.0 was like that. > I don't think one (or several) blog posts is going to change the > perceptions and expectations that have been coditioned into us by > decades of experience with x.0 versions of countless software > packages. If it's just another in a a series of incremental "bug fix > and minor enhancements without breaking backwards incompatibility" > releases, you simply do not call it vers x.0. Yup. -- ~Ethan~