Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: QWERTY was not designed to intentionally slow typists down (was: Unicode normalisation [was Re: [beginner] What's wrong?]) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 22:01:49 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <2796705.edb3E9ArW3@PointedEars.de> <1584744.4h7ToaqLat@PointedEars.de> <5705b9ef$0$1611$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <570748ec$0$1620$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <874mbcgfmd.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <753cdb8b-9f94-48d6-bc0d-589efba86afc@googlegroups.com> <8560vr627l.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <570876f1$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1460217233.3804713.573755729.61D3FCF2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <57143ac0$0$1609$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1460944909.3502334.581571497.197404E2@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de k3dxxGgipcwSSFLlOYDypw/iKrH+VEV4ElVHyVzATc/Q== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'sufficient': 0.05; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'url:mit': 0.09; 'thread': 0.10; 'assume': 0.11; 'subject:not': 0.11; 'decade,': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:beginner': 0.16; 'subject:slow': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.16; 'typing': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'keys': 0.22; 'subject:skip:i 10': 0.22; 'url:edu': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'subject: [': 0.29; "i'd": 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'holds': 0.32; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'instance': 0.35; 'replaced': 0.35; 'according': 0.36; "wasn't": 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'really': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'method': 0.37; 'associated': 0.38; 'no,': 0.38; 'received:66': 0.38; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'claim': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'yes': 0.62; 'introduction': 0.63; 'is.': 0.63; 'website:': 0.65; 'obvious': 0.76; 'actually,': 0.84; 'die!': 0.84; 'subject:down': 0.84; 'subject:skip:n 10': 0.84; 'marketing.': 0.93; 'hands': 0.96 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=ln2G+g4xn28EcESTr1YySZ/hxUI=; b=c8R5oz AzDhmbMERjcYC7oRoqYKdMsu29XGaMkwIDnDK4RckWJK8hoUioLN8a8t04ki6dvz H8L23lch3BB+0ZnUFYYyVOBQSZt4JoAG50xuoUaLZVmovR4oRbCvMZIvwaH/qzXk d1DoKGkeKiwVuyf5NSFbtZRlyGxj7PN5g7JsI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=ln2G+g4xn28EcES Tr1YySZ/hxUI=; b=FGeax5k4t21F9X0hgvEoxO+6CfIoxbrjhhI0EWrQpgElRXY BroucK6WWyKgnN1hctcCPoc2nsvWXKBToKsjKSt2+f40o55AxbH9Hn8zj04nL+uW w6EZndMSdt+6imdh967WOcOweu1KGTmEb92DUqqLbh2qrhAGWAERMT5xwWMg= X-Sasl-Enc: iMYNlEsU2SMMIJsUAfWBF/AbJtlHUwK5AXaSy9viJw8a 1460944909 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-1032a755 In-Reply-To: <57143ac0$0$1609$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1460944909.3502334.581571497.197404E2@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <2796705.edb3E9ArW3@PointedEars.de> <1584744.4h7ToaqLat@PointedEars.de> <5705b9ef$0$1611$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <570748ec$0$1620$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <874mbcgfmd.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <753cdb8b-9f94-48d6-bc0d-589efba86afc@googlegroups.com> <8560vr627l.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <570876f1$0$1619$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <1460217233.3804713.573755729.61D3FCF2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <57143ac0$0$1609$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107221 On Sun, Apr 17, 2016, at 21:39, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Oh no, it's the thread that wouldn't die! *wink* > > Actually, yes it is. At least, according to this website: > > http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/Dvorak/history.html I'd really rather see an instance of the claim not associated with Dvorak marketing. It only holds up as an obvious inference from the nature of how typing works if we assume *one*-finger hunt-and-peck rather than two-finger. Your website describes two-finger as the method that was being replaced by the 1878 introduction of ten-finger typing. > The QWERTY layout was first sold in 1873 while the first known use of > ten-fingered typing was in 1878, and touch-typing wasn't invented for > another decade, in 1888. Two-finger hunt-and-peck is sufficient for placing keys on opposite hands to speed typing up rather than slow it down.