Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.037 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'pointless': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'all).': 0.16; 'hides': 0.16; 'rarely': 0.16; 'received:172.18.0': 0.16; 'somewhere.': 0.16; 'subject:GIL': 0.16; 'threads,': 0.16; 'underlying': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; '(not': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'separate': 0.22; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.22; 'header:Received:8': 0.24; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'topic': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'concern': 0.31; 'purely': 0.31; 'alone': 0.33; 'cases': 0.33; 'two': 0.37; 'basis.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'choose': 0.64; 'sound': 0.68; 'bite': 0.84; 'forward.': 0.84; 'improvement': 0.84; 'moves': 0.84; 'suits': 0.84; 'immune': 0.91 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=jhVCqOCcONDhIh1w2GEjcBn40ITekX4NlKMVE0oiDkw= c=1 sm=1 a=7PYXob_7ZXMA:10 a=AgG5ixNBvo4A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=oNw28mxuUhXRB3mVwYQ4Ag==:17 a=ZOSQtbc8qqlOiasgBiAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=activenetwerx.com; s=default; t=1408291305; bh=1EJYtRTjBr3JAuJuR9MOB9pMHJkSVoxVxpkVKORC11o=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To; b=DL/Kp3cgJ69xxbWFW6p7iOIbyd4tVc61f1lBG88EMK5/jwo5iqyMEubn0WTGGesnz 2Nr5n3Oe9OrXfbV4H3y4ZwUPbcSyYhZ63eulMatsP5NpU3n5Q6cCgTq4eZxR8gtA1N U3g7dFJe4w6kcFfjc79qLEAeaOqBrpRk5Sw/09dM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=activenetwerx.com; s=default; t=1408291305; bh=1EJYtRTjBr3JAuJuR9MOB9pMHJkSVoxVxpkVKORC11o=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To; b=DL/Kp3cgJ69xxbWFW6p7iOIbyd4tVc61f1lBG88EMK5/jwo5iqyMEubn0WTGGesnz 2Nr5n3Oe9OrXfbV4H3y4ZwUPbcSyYhZ63eulMatsP5NpU3n5Q6cCgTq4eZxR8gtA1N U3g7dFJe4w6kcFfjc79qLEAeaOqBrpRk5Sw/09dM= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail.activenetwerx.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 From: "Joseph L. Casale" To: "python-list@python.org" Subject: RE: GIL detector Thread-Topic: GIL detector Thread-Index: AQHPuidOIZ44m+yVdUyB2go0QKAznpvVT3kA//+hx8A= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:01:19 +0000 References: <53f0ba6c$0$29982$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.18.0.201] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408291308 news.xs4all.nl 2887 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:36905 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76437 > I don't have to care about threading issues all the time and > can otherwise freely choose the right model of parallelism that suits my > current use case when the need arises (and threads are rarely the right > model). I'm sure that's not just me. The sound bite of a loyal Python coder:) If it weren't for these "useless" threads, you wouldn't have even been able to send that message, let alone do anything on a computer for that matter. That generalization is a "bit" broad, the argument is pointless when it mov= es away from a purely technical to an emotionally basis. A failure to separate= the two pigeonholes the progress of the language and hides underlying constrain= ts which is what Armins post was trying to bring forward. It's na=EFve to think the first crack of anything is immune to refactoring. No one said Python doesn't have any merit and I honestly don't know a perfect language that has no need for improvement somewhere. I am sure however that the topic is a concern for many use cases (not all). jlc