Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.033 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'suppose': 0.07; 'indication': 0.09; 'statistical': 0.09; 'subject:Why': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'salaries,': 0.16; 'subject:make': 0.16; 'url:detail': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'year,': 0.18; 'not,': 0.20; 'comparing': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'mention': 0.26; 'url:edu': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'once,': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'programmers': 0.33; 'url:source': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'explains': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'useful': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'thank': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'highest': 0.39; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'according': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'guy': 0.60; 'year.': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'subject:more': 0.64; 'between': 0.67; 'response.': 0.68; 'lowest': 0.74; 'difference.': 0.84; 'spread.': 0.84; 'subject:money': 0.84; 'serious': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uK1jcHdJF9VDIDnglQmekaVBiriyuKU2/B9/3FAddds=; b=IOsgb5LbGxsFISQgmRG+azaAa7hBD6GAWD5lxoRn317RCuuFUHNDAsLwhnmrHHzA5E RPVjeyABs+S0ThzjxokEd2XRvOMMGYEZO7BYCOQ16JCNtR8z5hOVJW0+6YK/vs4Gylup Wd0x/0Hk0qYFHvZ17o+KRVjq0EqJVJdBjnnj4OgTANQOV7lSdnjxC0pM0XUgUgGEofa8 OhYiQjMYJenhKvT2/a5TpwQWFnpynIN+ct7F6fJ28hVytpq33AbXfeVhJ9lnmXdFqiUq fa2Xz+WfkVDsy56lbegKEFoZjliRWkAZXRD4mb7AcS5Jacsx8rmhVgbef9clWzMGtJFi 6+zA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.122.109 with SMTP id lr13mr4021421vdb.91.1367775314257; Sun, 05 May 2013 10:35:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 03:35:14 +1000 Subject: Re: Why do Perl programmers make more money than Python programmers From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1367775322 news.xs4all.nl 15912 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46202 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:44761 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Ignoramus16992 wrote: > According to CIO.com, Python programmers make only $83,000 per year, > while Perl programmers make $93,000 per year. > > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide10 > http://www.cio.com/slideshow/detail/97819?source=ifwartcio#slide11 > > I would like to know, what explains the discrepancy. > > Thank you! Once, I was young and foolish too, and an ignoramus, just like you. [1] There's a big problem with comparing statistical averages without any indication of their spread. Suppose these are the salaries involved: Perl = [15000, 30000, 80000, 100000, 143000, 190000] Python = [15000, 30000, 80000, 100000, 190000] That is, the guy who's making 143K a year didn't mention that he's using Python. Voila! Your averages differ, yet statistically, there's not a lot of difference. The best way to know how useful the averages are is to look at the distribution, eg look at the difference between the highest and lowest values, or the standard deviation of the sample, or something of that sort. Without that, there's no way of knowing whether a 10K difference is at all significant. I would posit that, among salaries, it's meaningless. ChrisA [1] I don't know if you're trolling or not, so I'll give a serious response. But I'm going to start with a quote from Emerald Isle. http://diamond.boisestate.edu/gas/sullivan/emerald_isle/web_opera/ei14.html