Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.112 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.79; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'see.': 0.07; 'talks,': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'language,': 0.11; 'to:name:python-list@python.org': 0.14; 'carpenter': 0.16; 'consuming': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'necessary,': 0.16; 'prerequisite': 0.16; 'procedure?': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'shared.': 0.16; 'this:': 0.17; 'sort': 0.18; 'wrote:': 0.19; 'written': 0.21; 'recognize': 0.21; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'creating': 0.27; 'company:': 0.28; 'habits': 0.28; 'knowledge.': 0.28; 'subject: [': 0.28; 'usually': 0.29; 'knows': 0.31; 'knowledge': 0.32; 'cases,': 0.32; 'words,': 0.32; 'really': 0.33; 'pm,': 0.34; 'next': 0.34; 'am,': 0.34; 'exist': 0.34; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'does': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'aspects': 0.36; 'easily': 0.36; 'but': 0.37; 'reasonable': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'under': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'learning': 0.60; 'world': 0.61; 'procedure': 0.62; 'received:nz': 0.62; '2012': 0.62; 'natural': 0.64; 'covers': 0.65; 'grab': 0.69; 'absolutely': 0.84; 'nathan': 0.84; 'received:210.54': 0.84; 'received:210.54.141': 0.84; 'received:xtra.co.nz': 0.84; 'skill.': 0.84; 'watches': 0.84; 'dynamics': 0.91; 'phil': 0.91; 'subject:\t': 0.91; 'surgery': 0.91; 'received:219': 0.93; 'received:co.nz': 0.93 From: Phil Runciman To: "python-list@python.org" Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:25:40 +1200 Subject: RE: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT Thread-Topic: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT Thread-Index: Ac0R3YlRjPAi1oCBQtaLHJ+jtFHtpgAB1iNg References: <4f7512db$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <78a6d2f8-23de-496a-afb7-943b60e57c88@mq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <94c6033a-26e7-4b49-911c-b63ca01d13ea@wj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US, en-NZ Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-NZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333491953 news.xs4all.nl 6866 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53500 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22645 =20 > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/3/2012 8:39 AM, Nathan Rice wrote: > > > > > Ultimately, the answers to your questions exist in the world for you > > > to see. =A0How does a surgeon describe a surgical procedure? =A0How d= oes > > > a chef describe a recipe? =A0How does a carpenter describe the proces= s > > > of building cabinets? =A0Aside from specific words, they all use=20 > > > natural language, and it works just fine. > > > > > > Not really. Surgeon's learn by *watching* a surgeon who knows the opera= tion > > and next (hopefully) doing a particular surgery under supervision of su= ch a > > surgeon, who watches and talks, and may even grab the instruments and > > re-show. They then really learn by doing the procedure on multiple > > people. They often kill a few on the way to mastery. > =20 >=20 > Well, there is declarative knowledge and procedural knowledge. In all > these cases, only the procedural knowledge is absolutely necessary, > but the declarative knowledge is usually a prerequisite to learning > the procedure in any sort of reasonable manner. There is also tacit knowledge. Such knowledge is a precursor to declarative= knowledge and therefore procedural knowledge. "Tacit knowledge is not easi= ly shared. It involves learning and skill, but not in a way that can be wri= tten down. Tacit knowledge consists often of habits and culture that we do = not recognize in ourselves." Wikipedia. The process of eliciting tacit knowledge may be time consuming and require = patience and skill. The following book covers aspects of this: Nonaka, Ikuj= iro; Takeuchi, Hirotaka (1995), The knowledge creating company: how Japanes= e companies create the dynamics of innovation.=20 Phil Runciman