Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.016 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'interpreter': 0.04; 'python': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'combination,': 0.16; 'situation.': 0.16; 'summarizes': 0.16; 'unusable.': 0.16; '>>>': 0.18; 'bit': 0.21; 'supposed': 0.21; 'aspect': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; 'this:': 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'wrote': 0.26; 'language.': 0.27; "i'm": 0.29; 'related': 0.30; 'code:': 0.33; 'produced': 0.33; 'another': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'skip:{ 10': 0.36; 'unable': 0.36; 'previous': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'release': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'times': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'learned': 0.65; 'subject:For': 0.75; 'topic,': 0.78; 'discovered': 0.83; 'illustrated': 0.84 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:32:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=83.79.185.253; posting-account=ung4FAoAAAC46zhHJ0Nsnuox7M5gDvs_ References: <10965867-a44f-4146-aea2-fd1a1e8f8e3b@googlegroups.com> <5060DA00.10801@stoneleaf.us> <50616157$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 83.79.185.253 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: For Counter Variable From: wxjmfauth@gmail.com To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348565534 news.xs4all.nl 6983 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49957 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30052 I wrote my first program on a PDP-8. I discovered Python at release 1.5.? Now years later... I find Python more and more unusable. As an exemple related to this topic, which summarizes a little bit the situation. I just opened my interactive interpreter and produced this: >>> for i in range(len(s)-1, -1,-1): ... '{} {}'.format(i, s[i]) ... '2 c' '1 b' '0 a' I did it so many times with a reverse/enumerate combination, I'm unable to do it again, I simply do not remember! One another really annoying aspect of Python, illustrated in my previous code: ''.format() . Was it not supposed to be *the* new formating scheme? I'm toying more and more with the go language. I really appreciate and rediscover the strictness I learned with Pascal. jmf