Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.176 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.65; '*S*': 0.01; 'url:blog': 0.10; '[2].': 0.16; 'intersection': 0.16; 'reliably': 0.16; 'segment': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'wed,': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'not,': 0.20; 'aug': 0.22; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; '[1]': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'another.': 0.31; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; '14,': 0.36; 'machines': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'trading': 0.61; 'simply': 0.61; 'kind': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'population': 0.68; 'url:18': 0.68; 'computers': 0.72; 'eight': 0.74; 'sarcasm,': 0.84; 'url:bbc': 0.91; 'besides,': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=nDC2NTneAlFRXyFyEsATwnsnBVQoF1oTNsxioaHNBoQ=; b=iwDAJSpyvBdHFvynzFbQB3NxEK/dsNPAH8ETkNhk+YwiaTzoqSktePBfX3A076Wd4n sndfFTO1fBYnyhsz/AMMe+H3WB18AbudvRcnNh1HFmT7Fzt8I6vDC8h/bDlsBjYqurM4 X4gmFdB97440UD8MQshHipChqPgX0vN8ZVQr2lKSjZMeqxQ/ePA0GDBr3VFmJebPRQvm VpWIzKGFUeahTWkJjAFvV2/PeDEzA3k63ZRvrjJNuQN8SqD/LzDCu2Bm02jind3v7SEM ipKalgcK0CKTC0HjMy4WMZRYE6Tmm8kaxfCHSrtGGdhkSQJXm45pZruoS8ixknYKBNP/ gImA== X-Received: by 10.66.90.229 with SMTP id bz5mr6367061pab.80.1408045389488; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:43:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <8c2e4bc2-4f46-4a68-83ed-469fe171de3a@googlegroups.com> <2320baf0-e097-4d67-97c1-dd37ca79fffb@googlegroups.com> <376a239c-77e8-4e0e-9300-847dfa8a8547@googlegroups.com> <53EB4E68.8050405@harvee.org> From: Ian Kelly Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:42:29 -0600 Subject: Re: Captcha identify To: Python Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1408045397 news.xs4all.nl 2920 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38273 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76328 On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Peter Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 14:16:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> . . . and as computers get more powerful the intersection >> of {problems machines can't solve} and {problems humans can reliably >> solve} grows ever smaller. > > "Which of the following eight sentences are sarcastic in tone?" People are actually pretty bad at identifying sarcasm, or at least agreeing on what it is [1] and there's a segment of the population who simply don't understand it at all, so you'd be trading one kind of inaccessibility for another. And you might be surprised at how good machines can be at identifying sarcasm [2]. Besides, this suffers from the problem of a limited pool of questions, in that the spambot could simply build up a database of which sentences that are used by the system are sarcastic and which are not, as determined by their human controllers. [1] http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/08/18/would-you-even-recognize-sarcasm/ [2] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23160583