Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed0.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: I'm wrong or Will we fix the ducks limp? Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:53:26 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <87mvn22veg.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <13108bea-6750-443b-bee8-0532aba8b338@googlegroups.com> <5753c89b$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87k2i483ok.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1465149206.2672380.628512985.25519878@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Z9JmMBSLZj8mmqr8T+Hp+g6uV50TK5+AtGpNW+bl/1dA== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.007 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'skip:[ 20': 0.03; '*is*': 0.09; 'none.': 0.09; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'variables': 0.15; 'fiction.': 0.16; 'message-id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.212': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wooden': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'variable': 0.18; 'object.': 0.22; 'suppose': 0.22; 'references': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'separate': 0.27; 'used,': 0.27; 'itself,': 0.29; 'objects': 0.29; 'everyone': 0.31; 'post': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'knows': 0.32; 'holds': 0.32; 'could': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'modules': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'wrong': 0.38; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'more': 0.63; 'detail.': 0.66; 'special': 0.73; 'shows,': 0.91; 'technically': 0.91; 'tied': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=64K4GyXQEcbVoxd4TqTKArTpy3k=; b=l3sSpe 1Lu6D+DiZ3gZRXh/ixRRA6xqzTBdgJIIoZ+C+H4CKjwZh0ETh0f2ymN6O5YSsdRE Us9YruL4N7cTy2cpxScitE7rEBOaMNlkPFW8unD15ejpO4zH/YWXTiIurMUnRRXO fLLhOJKc5W21NH7XgQ0XOUIFkeTMw/rke5RHc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=64K4GyXQEcbVoxd 4TqTKArTpy3k=; b=QHTPsffK3pwgCQFmWA2XFin7qgEBLWAs37vNqmZpkd7053P fAlI8eqbydB3LbfuXl5F9Qtp77ejR2fR6SxHG8YDezMyktgSL1tY9m8TE9xfCW1/ pMjPStnrmw0L56wLoJFaVmTvvG2BZiku3mEMAQ0vUJzKM87CiMryIcpZ5Q0U= X-Sasl-Enc: LaSj9xXZberhh6LizGPGbl99trlEHyjyYbyjaVhUUNcF 1465149206 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-2bd3df2b In-Reply-To: <87k2i483ok.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1465149206.2672380.628512985.25519878@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <87mvn22veg.fsf@rudin.co.uk> <13108bea-6750-443b-bee8-0532aba8b338@googlegroups.com> <5753c89b$0$1616$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87k2i483ok.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:109521 On Sun, Jun 5, 2016, at 04:01, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > You could also think of variables as pegs, references as leashes, and > objects as cute puppies. One puppy could be held with multiple leashes > hung on separate pegs. Some puppies hold leashes in their mouths. Every > leash is tied to a puppy or a special wooden post called None. You've got it all wrong about what's special about None. The object is just another puppy. There *is* a variable called None [getattr(__builtins__, 'None')] which holds a leash tied to that puppy, but it's rarely used, since everyone knows how to find that puppy directly [None is a keyword]. But nothing's special about the object itself, no more than any other object. Of course, as the fact that I had to use __builtins__ shows, the "pegs" are a fiction. At least, as long as we consider that frames and modules are just another kind of puppy. Though I suppose technically frames are an implementation detail.