Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.013 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'memory.': 0.05; 'say,': 0.05; 'does,': 0.09; 'macros': 0.09; 'subject:still': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; 'roy': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:need': 0.17; 'jan': 0.18; 'fairly': 0.21; 'combination': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'command': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; "i'm": 0.29; 'curious': 0.33; 'needed': 0.35; 'mapping': 0.35; 'especially': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'subject:?': 0.35; 'charset:us- ascii': 0.36; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'subject:, ': 0.61; 'helps': 0.63; 'times': 0.63; 'making': 0.64; 'smith': 0.71; 'from:addr:wayne': 0.84; 'regard.': 0.84; 'subject:good': 0.84 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:17:13 -0600 (CST) From: Wayne Werner X-X-Sender: wayne@gilgamesh To: Mitya Sirenef Subject: Re: New to python, do I need an IDE or is vim still good enough? In-Reply-To: <50E339BD.5060200@lightbird.net> References: <50e25c10$0$30003$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50E339BD.5060200@lightbird.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1357183041 news.xs4all.nl 6881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33049 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:36030 On Tue, 1 Jan 2013, Mitya Sirenef wrote: > On 01/01/2013 02:02 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > That's true with Vim, as well, especially when I'm making a custom > mapping and I can NEVER remember what some combination does, even though > if I actually needed to use it, it pops right out, so to find out, I > have to try it and then I say, "of course, dammit, I use this command 50 > times every single day!"; so it's a curious case of one-directional > memory. I've found writing macros helps me a lot in this regard. I do qaq"aP fairly frequently. -W