Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!rt.uk.eu.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.049 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'raised': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.07; '"thanks': 0.09; 'sure,': 0.09; 'thread': 0.11; 'sat,': 0.15; '5:00': 0.16; 'chris,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'geek': 0.16; 'python-list,': 0.16; 'result:': 0.16; 'subject:questions': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'work,': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'work.': 0.23; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'am,': 0.27; 'i.e.': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'chris': 0.28; '(possibly': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'maybe': 0.29; 'connection': 0.30; 'could': 0.32; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'likely': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'nov': 0.35; 'talent': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'hours.': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'takes': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; 'close': 0.63; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'great': 0.64; 'here': 0.65; 'become': 0.65; '20,': 0.65; 'fact,': 0.69; 'born': 0.71; 'conclude': 0.84; 'maybe,': 0.84; 'neil': 0.84; 'gift': 0.89; '"how': 0.91; 'louis': 0.93; 'hands': 0.97 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gd8RsKWFov1jaMJHwkVtJzeJ1Ey+ssJp8gQMq6INZ6Q=; b=COXwMjyJRYlLkB+kTzu49nukAJGChPoxKX1csf1NVDv9traJfw2RQMpw4DG1mBze4x u+O4icQytyu+mVusJ+6siEUNEWIP/zqpRvQ9m6fBgSDUq4xixbUmVWaAzHvjYXBfdgBt JNBQ78DH4reNrQ60k9jyomVlXNlOfSUgTcNYV3hRt7YnJElPbbChtLYgfl3FT7a/PEBF CrHV7rpXytjJCxz/PAkCEJlR6GiV1NVvu/TBRh4twwXoqtuX9X09Tm91uL1K4BAu6bkf LfIXxHvi5GcVNlobsTo3/sdiaevcUD+1CJgeEYGFIppakwjWH0tT/Hkjb4HPhLbCapEz 9O+w== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20121116100054.54257de92fb4ed6e65a28126@lavabit.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:35:01 +1100 Subject: Re: Python questions help From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1353360904 news.xs4all.nl 6889 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58168 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:33558 On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2012-11-16, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:00 AM, rh >> wrote: >>> "How many people think programming skills are inherent?" i.e. >>> that some people are just born with the gift to be good >>> programmers Result: very few hands raised maybe a couple >>> (possibly non-progammers??) >> >> Maybe, but there's definitely something that happens close to >> birth. If your parents give you the name Chris, you're more >> likely to become a geek and a programmer. > > There are people with rare talent who can program in a way that > most others can't, .e.g, Chris Sawyer. But, as Louis Moyse, a > great musician remarked: "Without hard work, talent means > nothing." Sure, it definitely takes work. You still have to put in your ten thousand hours. I don't know what the connection is, but there do seem to be a LOT of geeky Chrises; in fact, in any mid-length thread here on python-list, you could probably conclude with a "Thanks for the tip, Chris, it works now!" without even bothering to read it. ChrisA