Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.070 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.86; '*S*': 0.00; 'broken': 0.04; 'argument': 0.05; '*not*': 0.07; 'automate': 0.07; 'users,': 0.07; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'scripts,': 0.09; '3:27': 0.16; 'bypassing': 0.16; 'reason.': 0.16; 'solver': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'users.': 0.18; 'admin': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'instead.': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; 'room': 0.29; 'involving': 0.30; 'asked': 0.31; 'disabled': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'front': 0.32; "can't": 0.35; 'agree': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'acceptable': 0.36; 'received:10.43': 0.36; 'similar': 0.36; 'received:10': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'either': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'range': 0.61; 'services,': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'therefore,': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'situation': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'response.': 0.68; 'commercial': 0.71; 'removal': 0.74; 'captcha': 0.84; 'cripple': 0.84; 'goldmine': 0.84; 'pain': 0.84; 'anywhere,': 0.93; 'have.': 0.93 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harvee.org Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:42:48 -0400 From: "Eric S. Johansson" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Captcha identify References: <8c2e4bc2-4f46-4a68-83ed-469fe171de3a@googlegroups.com> <2320baf0-e097-4d67-97c1-dd37ca79fffb@googlegroups.com> <376a239c-77e8-4e0e-9300-847dfa8a8547@googlegroups.com> <53EB4E68.8050405@harvee.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407962573 news.xs4all.nl 2875 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76236 On 8/13/2014 3:27 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > I agree with you, and I don't use CAPTCHAs on any of my services, > anywhere, and never have. (Partly because they *are* broken by people > writing scripts, and/or by just grinding them with human solvers; but > also because of the problems they cause for legit users, even those > with perfect eyesight.) However, the accessibility argument is one for > the removal of the captcha, *not* for its automated solving. I will > not support a scripted captcha solver for any reason. If you move away > from a site because you can't use it, so be it. If you get a chance, > tell the owner that there are alternatives to barely-readable images; > tricks involving page layouts are almost always safe, and there's > infinite room to play around in them. your suggestion reminds me of the time I asked front range for help with accessibility because I had to use Goldmine on the job. Immediately after I asked for accessibility information, they told me they don't have any accessibility information because they don't have any disabled users. Yes, they really did your suggestion will probably generate a similar response. > > There is no valid reason for automating something that's specifically > to prevent automation. The admin needs to provide an alternative, > instead. There is only one valid reason based in the fact that we don't own or control many of the sites we depend on. Therefore, if I need to use a site be it government or commercial and it has a Captcha, I need to pay some form of cripple tax by either incurring pain or find/pay somebody to type for me. In this situation I thing it is perfectly acceptable to automate bypassing Captcha's.