Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'tree': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'attributes:': 0.16; 'bye,': 0.16; 'happily': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'references': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'leave': 0.29; '>>>>': 0.31; 'end,': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'knowledge': 0.35; 'display': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'being': 0.38; 'convention': 0.38; 'ends': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'deleting': 0.60; 'you.': 0.62; 'our': 0.64; 'teach': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'news': 0.67; 'benefit': 0.68; 'anything.': 0.68; 'refusing': 0.84; 'received:89': 0.85; 'refuse': 0.93; 'clients,': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:51:10 +0100 References: <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> <20140806144758.f5817ee60d0e98ff30172a2a@gmx.net> <53e2f338$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140811110843.a314bb1b78cda13d26844ab5@gmx.net> <53e95b96$0$30002$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140813124234.28dcd9dda3eb9b114f4b51fb@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-89-240-165-72.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 In-Reply-To: <20140813124234.28dcd9dda3eb9b114f4b51fb@gmx.net> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 50 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407945086 news.xs4all.nl 2974 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46893 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76208 On 13/08/2014 11:42, Wolfgang Keller wrote: >>>> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but >>>> deleting their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we >>>> know who you are replying to. >>> >>> That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. >> >> The References header is for the benefit of news and mail clients, >> not human readers. > > Any half-decent news client will happily display a thread tree for you. > Based on that References:-Header. > >> It is rude to deliberately refuse to give attributes: > >> So please stop being rude, and follow the convention of both email and >> usenet (as well as broader society) to give attribution to those you >> quote. > > I've been using mail and news for over 20 years now, you definitely > don't need to teach me anything. Very funny. It strikes me that your knowledge of using mail and news is akin to that of our resident unicode expert's knowledge of the FSR. > > End of subthread. > The subthread ends when people want it to end, not when you state that it has ended. It will not end until you stop being so downright rude in refusing to give attribution to those you quote. > Good Bye, Good riddance. Ditto Steven D'Aprano's *plonk* > > Wolfgang > -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence