Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Ben Finney Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Make a unique filesystem path, without creating the file Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 16:25:24 +1100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <85r3gf55k4.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <56c15a25$0$1622$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 58Ty+yOmPJHI+1gRRqI9PAicyvrTnIJR/7qEdnKY32lQ== Cancel-Lock: sha1:6KcMsyeo+iV4VvIQ2bINZ5FuMv0= Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.019 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.96; '*S*': 0.00; 'api.': 0.04; 'deprecated': 0.07; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'api': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'undocumented': 0.09; 'duplicating': 0.16; 'filesystem,': 0.16; 'forking': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'string': 0.17; 'removed.': 0.18; 'library': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'examples': 0.24; 'implemented': 0.24; 'url:bugs': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'correct': 0.28; 'looks': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'probably': 0.31; 'reported': 0.32; 'useful': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; "d'aprano": 0.33; 'everyone.': 0.33; 'steven': 0.33; 'advice': 0.35; 'ahead': 0.35; 'fail': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'real': 0.62; 'skip:n 10': 0.62; 'is.': 0.63; 'request.': 0.66; 'concerns': 0.66; 'worth': 0.67; 'day': 0.67; '_o__)': 0.84; 'received:125': 0.84; 'scary': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.88; 'skip:\xe2 30': 0.91; 'subject:Make': 0.91; '8bit%:18': 0.93; 'good,': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jigong.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-pubkey.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21rc2 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:102939 Steven D'Aprano writes: > If you can absolutely guarantee that this string will never actually > be used on a real filesystem, then go right ahead and use it. I'm giving advice in examples in documentation. It's not enough to have some private usage that I know is good, I am looking for a standard API that when the reader looks it up will not be laden with big scary warnings. Currently I can write about the public API ‘tempfile.mktemp’ in documentation, but the conscientious reader will be correct to have concerns when the examples I give are sternly deprecated in the standard library documentation. Or I can write about the private API ‘tempfile._RandomNameSequence’ in the documentation, and the conscientious reader will be correct to have concerns about use of an undocumented private-use API. I'm looking for a way to give examples that use that standard library functionality, with an API that is both public and not discouraged. > > I'm looking for how to get at that functionality in a non-deprecated > > way, without re-implementing it myself. > > You probably can't, not if you want to future-proof your code against > the day when tempfile.mktemp is removed. That's disappointing. It is already implemented and well-tested, it is useful as is. Forking and duplicating it is poor practice if it can simply be used in a standard place. I have reported for this request. -- \ “Nothing worth saying is inoffensive to everyone. Nothing worth | `\ saying will fail to make you enemies. And nothing worth saying | _o__) will not produce a confrontation.” —Johann Hari, 2011 | Ben Finney