Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!lightspeed.eweka.nl!lightspeed.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.009 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'lifecycle': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject:installation': 0.07; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; '"python"': 0.16; "(i'm": 0.16; 'did.': 0.16; 'personally,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'url:peps': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'lets': 0.24; 'url:dev': 0.24; 'subject:/': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'url:python': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'running': 0.33; 'there': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'changing': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'subject:" ': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'benefit': 0.68; 'caused': 0.69; 'obvious': 0.74; 'received:204': 0.75; 'article': 0.77; 'glad': 0.83; "else's": 0.84; 'received:204.14': 0.84; 'subject:base': 0.84; 'contrary': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Deily Subject: Re: Linux distros w/o Python in "base" installation Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:18:34 -0700 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.14.154.216 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (Intel Mac OS X) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407827931 news.xs4all.nl 2946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37894 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl X-Received-Bytes: 3585 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2177572798 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76103 In article , Chris Angelico wrote: > Well, it only *became* contrary to recommended practice in response to > Arch doing it and everyone seeing the issues it caused :) Personally, > I'm glad they did. Lets those of us who follow "slower" distros (I'm > running Debian) get the benefit of someone else's hindsight. Well, many people thought that the problems caused by changing "python" to mean "python3" at this stage in its lifecycle were so obvious that there was no need to formalize them in a PEP. Arch proved us wrong, hence PEP 394. http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ -- Ned Deily, nad@acm.org