Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'else:': 0.03; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'method.': 0.07; 'ugly': 0.07; 'assigning': 0.09; 'atom': 0.09; 'attributes': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'url:github': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'spacing': 0.16; 'subject:Object': 0.16; 'prevent': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'thanks.': 0.20; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'url:moin': 0.24; 'looks': 0.24; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'code': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'enforce': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.33; 'monday,': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'etc': 0.35; 'url:org': 0.36; 'implement': 0.38; 'minimum': 0.38; 'tired': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'above,': 0.60; 'access,': 0.60; 'manually': 0.60; 'august': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'bare': 0.84; 'subject:Systems': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.93 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python Object Systems Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:51:09 +0100 References: <2d41828e-19ac-4e46-a487-8700c22d9b92@googlegroups.com> <871tsmg2cw.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1b08b207-1eef-4da2-9b81-ca997079d293@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-180-173.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 In-Reply-To: <1b08b207-1eef-4da2-9b81-ca997079d293@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407793886 news.xs4all.nl 2875 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40538 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76077 On 11/08/2014 22:26, thequietcenter@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, August 11, 2014 5:09:35 PM UTC-4, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> >> Elk and Traits implement a C++-style object model on top of Python. The >> >> systems enforce member access, type constraints etc and result in ugly >> >> code that barely looks like Python. > > I personally get tired of manually assigning attributes in a __init__() method. So at the bare minimum something like Atom will do if nothing else: > > https://github.com/nucleic/atom > > And I imagine yuppy would make you upchuck as well: > https://github.com/kuujo/yuppy > Would you please read and action this https://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleGroupsPython to prevent us seeing the double line spacing and single line paragraphs above, thanks. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence