Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!news.mixmin.net!feed.xsnews.nl!border-3.ams.xsnews.nl!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'exception': 0.03; 'interpreter': 0.04; 'attribute': 0.05; 'cpython': 0.05; 'subject:file': 0.07; 'try:': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'ioerror:': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'sep': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'bug': 0.10; 'subject:python': 0.11; '24,': 0.16; 'adam': 0.16; 'benjamin': 0.16; 'coupling': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:API': 0.16; 'syntax.': 0.16; 'url:whatsnew': 0.16; 'mon,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'url:dev': 0.17; 'bit': 0.21; 'exceptions': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'lines': 0.28; 'argue': 0.29; 'implicitly': 0.29; 'overhead': 0.29; 'class': 0.29; 'this.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'error': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'url:python': 0.32; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.32; 'raising': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'operations': 0.33; 'along': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'except': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'operating': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'url:docs': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'between': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'direct': 0.69; 'special': 0.73; 'bypasses': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'prone': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: python file API Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 08:27:21 +0100 References: <0ec1fe2e-890c-4e25-8047-4cb8bee0aa95@googlegroups.com> <5060D55C.3000407@davea.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-20-3.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120924-1, 24/09/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1348558028 news.xs4all.nl 6859 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:30032 On 25/09/2012 03:32, Mark Adam wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Oscar Benjamin > wrote: >> There are many situations where a little bit of attribute access magic is a >> good thing. However, operations that involve the underlying OS and that are >> prone to raising exceptions even in bug free code should not be performed >> implicitly like this. I find the following a little cryptic: >> try: >> f.pos = 256 >> except IOError: >> print('Unseekable file') > > Well it might be that the coupling between the python interpreter and > the operating system should be more direct and there should be a > special exception class that bypasses the normal overhead in the > CPython implementation so that error can be caught in the code without > breaking syntax. But I don't think I'm ready to argue that point.... > > markj > Something along these lines http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/3.3.html#pep-3151-reworking-the-os-and-io-exception-hierarchy ? -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.