Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.008 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.04; 'pointer': 0.05; 'manipulate': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'arithmetic,': 0.16; 'assembly,': 0.16; 'fine': 0.18; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'gregory': 0.23; 'received:209.85.214.174': 0.23; 'received:mail- iw0-f174.google.com': 0.23; 'moving': 0.26; 'subject:data': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'subject:?': 0.29; 'sat,': 0.29; 'ewing': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'things': 0.33; 'reference': 0.34; 'subject:What': 0.35; 'subject:use': 0.35; 'think': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'languages': 0.38; 'received:209.85.214': 0.39; 'common': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; '2011': 0.62; 'perfectly': 0.65; 'here': 0.65; 'subject:other': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ft/S50hU6jcEHt3Vxqv9j1cDSahzabqABUEWeMPk8eM=; b=fohNZGO3c6n5SCz13wAx2twpaeMOONPlQZo+sit23arQTc1tyK9CDhmmhx1EnJ7A1C jZWLqX3lZZJy/OVCkk86rt3qx8QJIBfXeSUSCVc+GOoeVjOmtUsS92GvONGHOh+8f4X2 Bhp9wRnTVG4PQf/MTdX3KxvSI4W/9X2T09ZZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Yv+4q+hocJV5V37/Z7KKuodukzUL4pdXkZKqm+OdBUky8SNZNMe8ryr/7rYS2Fyn9g rzU2s4AKnZ0XYNScyL/pogl2X46RvpzOxQTkQie9wqEads1+6b1yEbSvClReIw3L1z+Y kO5/xocsyye91HSKM07AlH8CXjE9qk7OoztZU= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <92kh9cFgdcU1@mid.individual.net> References: <4dbd1dbf$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <77f64071-b288-404c-8280-b2c61ba77f06@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <4dc12fb4$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <7q1898-f3l.ln1@svn.schaathun.net> <9fd898-0el.ln1@svn.schaathun.net> <92f70aF9pqU1@mid.individual.net> <92kh9cFgdcU1@mid.individual.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:28:50 +1000 Subject: Re: What other languages use the same data model as Python? From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1304760535 news.xs4all.nl 81481 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:51563 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:4895 On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Hans Georg Schaathun wrote: > >> You cannot reference nor manipulate a reference in python, and that IMHO >> makes them more abstract. > > You can manipulate them just fine by moving them > from one place to another: I think "manipulate" here means things like pointer arithmetic, which are perfectly normal and common in C and assembly, but not in languages where they're references. Chris Angelico