Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'conventions': 0.07; 'references,': 0.09; 'subject: [': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'dig': 0.16; 'easily,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'impractical': 0.16; 'posters': 0.16; 'quoted': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'normally': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'aug': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'headers': 0.24; 'visible': 0.24; 'header': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'people,': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'references': 0.26; 'post': 0.26; 'skip:" 20': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'leave': 0.29; 'see,': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'posting': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'text': 0.33; 'whom': 0.33; 'common': 0.35; 'no,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; '+0200,': 0.36; 'in.': 0.36; 'level': 0.37; 'problems': 0.38; 'mine': 0.38; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'even': 0.60; 'deleting': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'ago.': 0.61; 'levels': 0.65; 'presumably': 0.84; 'to:none': 0.92 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=AQPjuxpgJe9tl5WdYvISmzKIM/IspOuhee6GUxc1NXM=; b=mfbYgYW1LT57VxfwIE0Z/yFaw5iZuuIlc89tBZzXbWaUdJC+sZQfG9nO64urswC28d QE3RqlSu7B4Hqetzbhb1OjE37TizG6FHmDClUD2tfvws+CpL/hXmnicbhzSbyhXb9tWt /9oEMZ1kAg/sgC1aQ11OGidZ+lcLDm4RJDNOiCYkFYKzMtynt6SM1Fgs3W1JbU91SHZt VxJTYLuxPUtE+1PVF3TXCcMJizseRRRIfeeOP/1ZTkWe8qmuP3KIil1WIpjAIbG4zynv 1sAzHJ2fZHB2wEHqNhUK6rwysGxwK7C0u4to3/o0HXtEJkw8dxpJeEPhQcomxefUH8yR SuqQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.216.148 with SMTP id hi20mr30933930icb.12.1407752413581; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 03:20:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87iomy4ciy.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c5f6dc$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87egxl4zq8.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <53c73ff0$0$29897$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <9ef930a0-5a41-4a20-a13a-003c9e8246fe@googlegroups.com> <53c9655a$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <368c1e4f-9328-445b-9876-9f26560a50c2@googlegroups.com> <53ca1e27$0$9505$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140801131035.f672ac56af3aa4eda5d36dcd@gmx.net> <20140806144758.f5817ee60d0e98ff30172a2a@gmx.net> <53e2f338$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20140811110843.a314bb1b78cda13d26844ab5@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:20:13 +1000 Subject: Re: Python and IDEs [was Re: Python 3 is killing Python] From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407752421 news.xs4all.nl 2897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41473 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:76043 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:37 PM, alister wrote: > On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:08:43 +0200, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > >>> By the way, you keep replying to people, and quoting them, but deleting >>> their name. Please leave the attribution in place, so we know who you >>> are replying to. >> >> That's what the "References:"-Header is there for. > > Which is not normally visible unless you go looking for it > Also despite the problems it causes there are still an large number of > posters that use Google groups & probably cant see those headers even if > they wished. Common courtesy (or netiquet if you prefer) would be to > follow the conventions of the group you are posting to. Additionally, the References header is good for at most one level in. Can you see, by looking at my post here, who Alister is quoting? Yes, easily, because his attribution line is part of the text that I've quoted. Can you see who Wolfgang is quoting? No, because there's no attribution line. It's completely impractical to dig through the References header (Alister's post has nineteen message IDs in References, and presumably mine will add a twentieth) to find out who quoted whom three levels ago. ChrisA