Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.nosignal.org!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '(at': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'see.': 0.07; 'tool,': 0.07; 'english)': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'language,': 0.11; 'programmer': 0.12; 'carpenter': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'procedure?': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.19; 'least': 0.20; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'programming': 0.23; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.26; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.27; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.28; 'argue': 0.28; 'subject: [': 0.28; 'books': 0.29; 'language.': 0.30; 'received:209.85': 0.32; 'received:google.com': 0.32; 'words,': 0.32; 'uses': 0.34; 'am,': 0.34; 'exist': 0.34; 'called': 0.34; 'received:209': 0.35; 'does': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'languages': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'instead': 0.38; 'received:209.85.216': 0.38; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'skip:" 10': 0.40; 'world': 0.61; '2012': 0.62; 'natural': 0.64; 'nathan': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mHeu2ysx0rWOVyhlV4/NugzhgeIlu17AYGG/CDY0lWU=; b=mzrqXisj3dwVv5DP5W+B1zCYzyM8CXPKOQOkRQlSk2jLoeQKQJ1Y/izskEuV6aM1Zq BbZcXH/mwAuFtDXW3WXWbp1P8lQMlzyCBR6Kkp1qgwzk3fy/W6Tj1q5y0tNvEN9tUCSE syjLNJCkIqlwgb9u8PRsTJY6fe38WjFawEMSecfuKCQMyUB624SUA/DdjSHAfOhv1FzY OUFEiUJXUvCpejlq/zC5X/e5UAkpZLHbB5CMStQMkkQLIlx84g5t+1QZjhztG2O3fLTt uAUKEt8YQFXoaswexvqr/qJBc9taMdiyN7Yp89p7Jm02pI7AYyl8m4BM9IFJYwEU4JMY gBMA== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0f1ead89-f0f1-4179-904d-ec1efda38809@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com> References: <4f7512db$0$29981$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <78a6d2f8-23de-496a-afb7-943b60e57c88@mq9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com> <94c6033a-26e7-4b49-911c-b63ca01d13ea@wj4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <0f1ead89-f0f1-4179-904d-ec1efda38809@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:15:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Number of languages known [was Re: Python is readable] - somewhat OT From: Nathan Rice To: rusi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1333469724 news.xs4all.nl 6880 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43571 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:22612 On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM, rusi wrote: > On Apr 3, 5:39=A0pm, Nathan Rice > wrote: >> >> Don't think "underlying", instead think "canonical". >> >> Ultimately, the answers to your questions exist in the world for you >> to see. =A0How does a surgeon describe a surgical procedure? =A0How does= a >> chef describe a recipe? =A0How does a carpenter describe the process of >> building cabinets? =A0Aside from specific words, they all use natural >> language, and it works just fine. > > A carpenter describes his carpentry-process in English > A CSist describes his programming-process in English (at least all my > CS books are in English) > > A carpenter uses his tools -- screwdriver, saw, planer --to do > carpentry > A programmer uses his tools to to programming -- one of which is > called 'programming language' > > Doing programming without programming languages is like using toenails > to tighten screws I would argue that the computer is the tool, not the language.