Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'value,': 0.04; '"""': 0.07; 'context': 0.07; '8bit%:30': 0.09; '__init__': 0.09; 'attributes': 0.09; 'caller': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'naturally': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:using': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'def': 0.12; 'accident.': 0.16; 'cleanly': 0.16; 'finney': 0.16; 'foo(object):': 0.16; 'magic': 0.16; 'object()': 0.16; 'parameter.': 0.16; 'popping': 0.16; 'rather,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'sentinel': 0.16; 'singleton': 0.16; 'subject:Detecting': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; 'subject:member': 0.16; 'thought.': 0.16; 'utterly': 0.16; 'passing': 0.19; 'value.': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'class.': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'specifically': 0.29; 'thus': 0.29; 'originally': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.31; 'context,': 0.31; 'lies': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'values.': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'agreed': 0.32; 'handled': 0.32; 'cases': 0.33; 'skip:_ 10': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; "can't": 0.35; 'possible.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'possible': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'ben': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'skip:_ 30': 0.39; 'expect': 0.39; 'though,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'called': 0.40; 'new': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'skip:n 10': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'occur': 0.65; 'skip:\xe2 10': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; '8bit%:40': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; '8bit%:43': 0.74; 'truth': 0.81; '"not': 0.84; 'everywhere.': 0.84; 'flag.': 0.84; 'generations,': 0.84; 'isolated': 0.84; 'localized': 0.84; 'protocol,': 0.84; 'lazy': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Detecting whether a value was passed for a parameter (was: skipping __init__ and using exploiting a class member instead) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:50:57 +1100 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:0dVbw8iaRxlS093K2BBwZBBDuTk= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1382269876 news.xs4all.nl 15968 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38768 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:57147 Peter Cacioppi writes: > I was laboring under some misconception that there was Python magic > that allowed __init__ and only __init__ to add class attributes by > setting their values. Good to know this piece of magic isn't part of > Python, and thus lazy eval can be handled more cleanly than I > originally thought. Rather, the magic is that ‘__init__’ will be called automatically by the class creation protocol, to initialise any new instance of that class. So the method to write if you want instance-specific initialisation is still ‘__init__’. > Think about it this way. None here really means "not yet initialized". > It is a value that cannot occur naturally and thus functions as a > not-initialized flag. As you point out, though, that's not a menaing of None agreed on everywhere. You can't expect that the caller will not be passing a value of None for that parameter. > So this, somewhat arbitrary, context sensitive value should be isolated > as much as possible. You don't want it popping up hither and yon, you > want to type as infrequently as possible and localized it to as few > methods as possible. Right. The pattern you're looking for is called a “sentinel value” . Usually, the None singleton is good enough for a sentinel value, but often it has a meaning already in your context, so is not available as a sentinel value. In cases where None is not available, make a specific value that has no other meaning, and use that specifically for your parameter's sentinel value:: class Foo(object): _default_for_x = object() def __init__(self, x=_default_for_object): """ Initialise a new instance. """ if x is self._default_for_object: # No value for ‘x’ was passed, because ‘_default_for_x’ # would not be passed by accident. x = self._get_value_for_x() self.x = x def _get_default_value_for_x(self): """" Calculate the default ‘x’ value for this instance. """ return some_computation(self) -- \ “When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold to the masses | `\ over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and | _o__) its speaker a raving lunatic.” —Dresden James | Ben Finney