Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Mark Lawrence Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Promoting Python Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:39:37 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de JAVeRGhO8wU3bggsiLTaoQywS5URDccrtQwEwhhkT90A== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'classes,': 0.05; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.05; 'seemed': 0.07; 'differing': 0.09; 'exceptions,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.10; 'agree.': 0.16; 'closures,': 0.16; 'iterators,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'python?': 0.18; 'language': 0.19; 'windows': 0.20; 'claiming': 0.22; 'lawrence': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'installed': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.26; 'compatible': 0.27; 'coding': 0.27; 'code': 0.30; 'hotmail': 0.31; 'language.': 0.32; 'problem': 0.33; 'largely': 0.33; 'list': 0.34; 'but': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'instead': 0.36; 'there': 0.36; 'basic': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'two': 0.37; 'received:org': 0.37; 'seem': 0.37; 'goes': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'mark': 0.40; 'space': 0.40; 'programs': 0.62; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.62; 'more': 0.63; 'different': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'late.': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; '250': 0.76; '(is': 0.84; 'amateur': 0.84; 'pythonistas,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.234.189.93 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106570 On 06/04/2016 12:06, BartC wrote: > On 05/04/2016 06:48, Gordon( Hotmail ) wrote: >> I am struggling to understand the basic principles of Python having >> spent many years as a pure Amateur tinkering with a variety of BASIC > > Last time I looked, there seemed to be around 250 dialects of Basic, and > with wildly differing implementations from pure interpreters to full > compilers, from GWBASIC to .NET. (Is there even an official standard?) > > With Python there are two dialects, and it's often already installed on > a system (probably not on Windows though). There are a few different > implementations too, but code I think is largely compatible across them. > >> The problem I am finding is most of the sites claiming to help >> understand Python devote >> far too much space bragging about the wonders of Python instead of... See if you can find one or more here http://noeticforce.com/best-free-tutorials-to-learn-python-pdfs-ebooks-online-interactive that suits. > > I fully agree. But you don't have to use classes, exceptions, > decorators, generators, iterators, closures, comprehensions, meta > classes, ... the list of meaningless buzzwords just goes on. You were five days late. > > It'll cope with ordinary coding as well, although such programs seem to > be frowned upon here; they are not 'Pythonic'. > How can you (plural) write Python code when you don't know Python? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence