Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'finally:': 0.07; 'odd': 0.07; 'subject:help': 0.08; 'except:': 0.09; 'try:': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'behavior,': 0.16; 'reasonably': 0.16; 'success:': 0.16; 'exception': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'commit': 0.19; 'aug': 0.22; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.22; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; '(or': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; '>': 0.26; 'possibly': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'raise': 0.29; 'absolute': 0.30; 'statement': 0.30; 'timely': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'subject:some': 0.31; 'received:209.85.212': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'connection': 0.35; 'transaction': 0.35; 'case,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'false': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'error.': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'server': 0.38; 'skip:& 10': 0.38; 'actions': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'track': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'either': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'completed': 0.61; 'success': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'different': 0.65; 'to:addr:gmail.com': 0.65; 'close': 0.67; 'manner': 0.72; 'bare': 0.84; 'or:': 0.84; 'imagine': 0.93 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=19oI5doz1MIgbbiTUsSmoHxmFMo7yXuDoU5hv5H6p3Y=; b=SqQYdGlnrPVnfoudonft6NHmwe4mqhssG9LgU7cj6zw8/iSfHuuWCQryDpwfDym3XA d4HgQ2zBNjah+XlqtpNz+bGDLOGMU2TdPsAGJmI6OWrADKeIvZT8v6IJataXavslf2By V7kDMirXQd8LgIChuOVZmdA8K2/G3elXuiOOHKvOVHIrmPenOgDIOolC+xnsimF8isI7 DVExxjNiw/gJOzd3CUGvfsCIL4Tv6SpAAVVKsoUnnvhlOLrcP4e9hI7uaUC2WYNfTbX/ lnujD8+2I0GKF2t5WTuEQB7ITfYfCyIvsQWALEqVjC/7P+pi6gXnjmU3aWEkSk8xCKQH dYCw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkTFt0lGP/d7U3exaYFennAsYL+xaCCyXwi2n4YTJzFq4QlGPEfaL2m6dNUE9Qvi/5B5MLE X-Received: by 10.194.22.166 with SMTP id e6mr36121951wjf.88.1407542159261; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: Chris Kaynor Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:55:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Newbie needing some help To: Chris Angelico Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d912768d933050026f2df Cc: "python-list@python.org" X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 123 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1407551506 news.xs4all.nl 2890 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:75923 --047d7b5d912768d933050026f2df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Kaynor > wrote: > > However, I'd recommend re-raising the exception after rolling back the > > transaction with a bare "raise" statement right after the db.rollback() > - at > > the absolute minimum, you should log the error. This will likely let you > see > > what your problem is. > > AIUI, aborting the process with an uncaught exception would roll back > implicitly, so there's no need to "bare except, roll back, bare > raise". But even if that's not the case, I would be looking at a > try/finally for this, rather than a try/except/raise. > I would imagine that on connection close, the server would rollback any uncommitted transactions, however that presumes that the connection close is completed in a reasonably timely manner (with a try...finally for closing, it should be). This is one case where I think try...except/raise is better than try...finally. If you use try...finally to rollback, you'd have to either track whether you committed, or you'd rollback with no actions (or possibly a committed action, which could have odd behavior, depending on the implementation) try: action commit except: rollback raise I feel is better than: try: action commit finally: rollback or: success = False try: action commit success = True finally: if success: rollback and is very different than: try: action finally: commit --047d7b5d912768d933050026f2df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On F= ri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:01 = AM, Chris Kaynor <ckaynor@zi= ndagigames.com> wrote:
> However, I'd recommend re-raising the exception after rolling back= the
> transaction with a bare "raise" statement right after the db= .rollback() - at
> the absolute minimum, you should log the error. This will likely let y= ou see
> what your problem is.

AIUI, aborting the process with an uncaught exception would roll back=
implicitly, so there's no need to "bare except, roll back, bare raise". But even if that's not the case, I would be looking at a try/finally for this, rather than a try/except/raise.
=
I would imagine that on connection close, the server would r= ollback any uncommitted transactions, however that presumes that the connec= tion close is completed in a reasonably timely manner (with a try...finally= for closing, it should be).

This is one case where I think try...except/raise is be= tter than try...finally. If you use try...finally to rollback, you'd ha= ve to either track whether you committed, or you'd rollback with no act= ions (or possibly a committed action, which could have odd behavior, depend= ing on the implementation)

try:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 action
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 commit
except:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rollback
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 raise

I feel is better than:

try:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 action
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 commit
finally:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 rollba= ck

or:

success =3D False<= /div>
try:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 action
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 commi= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 success =3D True
finally:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 if success:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 rollback

and is very different than:
=

try:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 action
finally:<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 commit
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