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On 03/04/2012 14:51, rusi wrote:
> On Apr 3, 5:39 pm, Nathan Rice<nathan.alexander.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Don't think "underlying", instead think "canonical".
>>
>> Ultimately, the answers to your questions exist in the world for you
>> to see.  How does a surgeon describe a surgical procedure?  How does a
>> chef describe a recipe?  How does a carpenter describe the process of
>> building cabinets?  Aside from specific words, they all use natural
>> language, and it works just fine.
>
> A carpenter describes his carpentry-process in English
> A CSist describes his programming-process in English (at least all my
> CS books are in English)
>
> A carpenter uses his tools -- screwdriver, saw, planer --to do
> carpentry
> A programmer uses his tools to to programming -- one of which is
> called 'programming language'
>
> Doing programming without programming languages is like using toenails
> to tighten screws

The latter is extremely difficult if you bite your toenails :)

-- 
Cheers.

Mark Lawrence.